VPI Avenger turntable on the way to me for review with Grado Labs Epoch cartridge. It's here.

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Steve Hoffman, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. Metralla

    Metralla Joined Jan 13, 2002

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    Very interesting thread. Will be checking back for listening impressions. :)
     
  2. KDTran

    KDTran Forum Resident

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    VPI Avenger, the Iron Man Edition.

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  3. Guitarded

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    That's more hideous than Jake, from State Farm.
     
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  4. bajaed

    bajaed Well-Known Member

    It's not necessarily my style, but I like it!
     
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  5. costerdock

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    Reminds me of 1980's old school BMX with all the various bike parts anodized. Red Philwood hubs - the cat's meow..

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  6. costerdock

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    Back to topic - love the VPI deck - absolutely gorgeous. The grey comfy pants are cool as well :)
     
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  7. Steve Hoffman

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    My wife calls them “uglypants” which is odd since she bought them for me.
     
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  8. Guss2

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    I didn't have too much space to work with, but this fits in easily. You could probably put a cover over it if so inclined. Are you getting an Avenger Tull ?
     
  9. SirMarc

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    That's so bad its friggin awesome! Lol
     
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  10. Guitarded

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    You can't get away with just comfortable pants and that one.

    You need the entire track suit.
     
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  11. psulioninks

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    I had this very same thought when I unpacked my VPI Super Prime Scout the other day. :righton:
     
  12. Tullman

    Tullman I prefer analog

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    I would like to get an Avenger, but not likely too soon. I am getting a Symposium platform for my current TT, and I want to get a platform big enough to fit the Avenger in case I get one in the future.
     
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  13. inperson

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    Shiny
     
  14. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your Host Your Host Thread Starter

    Yes, good packing makes for a happy delivery. No tears.
     
  15. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your Host Your Host Thread Starter

    He's baaack! David Shreve, the VTA King. Getting the proper VTA for many pressing thicknesses. He'll write them down for me so all I have to do is adjust the vertical tracking angle knob on the VPI arm. The Grado Labs Epoch is tracking at 1.805.

    The median set-up record is, as always, HDS-701, side one track two ("Sauerkraut 'N Solar Energy"), the opening stand up bass part.. (Flying Fish label, Norman Blake/Tut Taylor/Sam Bush/Butch Robins/Vassar Clements, etc.)

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  16. Tullman

    Tullman I prefer analog

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    Looking forward to your listening impressions.
     
  17. Deuce66

    Deuce66 Forum Resident

    How is this achieved exactly?
     
  18. Arnold_Layne

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    I remember just trying to left my Classic and put it up on a Solid Steel wall shelf. Even without the platter it's heavy. I can only imagine how heavy that Avenger is.
     
  19. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your Host Your Host Thread Starter

    We have an open thread on VTA, don’t we? Could be all there.
     
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  20. Guitarded

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    With Shoes!
     
  21. bluemooze

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    How can he work like that, making delicate adjustments standing up bent over. I can't. :)
     
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  22. Steve Hoffman

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    He’s used to it.
     
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  23. marka

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    What a great experience, being there as Dave did his thing, tweaking here and tweaking there. The sound was incredible. I think I floated out of there.
     
  24. Warren Jarrett

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    David Shreve adjusts VTA for each individual record by listening only. He demonstrates that when the VTA is not right, the frequency extremes are the most obvious sonic flaws. The bass is either muddy (he calls it "bass overhang") or lacking in extension. This is because the stylus tip cannot move in exactly the same arc as the cutter did, so the larger groove excursion of the lowest bass signals on the record are not accurately tracked. When bass reproduction is poor, VTA is either too high or too low. But the highs are consistently bright when VTA is too high, and rolled-off when VTA is too low. The only way to know is to change the VTA in either direction and note if the bass and highs get better or worse. Then keep going from there, changing tonearm height by smaller increments, until it all sounds the best it can be for that record.

    One thing to keep in mind is that when the upper-highs are attenuated (as in when VTA is too low) the upper midrange and mid-highs can sound aggressive and harsh. So it is important not to confuse aggressive highs with brightness. Aggressive highs can mean VTA is too low, but brightness means VTA is too high.

    Once David finds the VTA that provides the best sound for a particular record, then within that particular record label, optimum VTA is consistent. He marks it down on paper, so we can reproduce that tonearm height setting whenever we play that record label.

    The sound changes are obvious, and this listening method works.
     
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  25. David P. Hill

    David P. Hill Well-Known Member

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    This is quite a treat, I'm very interested in how this VPI sounds by Steve. I have been thinking about purchasing a new TT, especially the VPI.
     

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