Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by petzi, Apr 16, 2003.
Which releases do you recommend?
Eagles - Hotel California
Donald Fagan - The Nightlfy
The Band - Music From Big Pink
Alan Parsons Project - I Robot
Emerson Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery (Surround only, no stereo)
Queen - NATO
Doobie Bros - Capitain & Me
That's off the top of my head, I'm sure I forgot a few...
Thanks, I put these on my shopping list
Harvest - Neil Young
I'm a bit confused.
This is really apples and oranges. The CD versions are two-track original "era" mixes and the DVD-A versions are 5:1 modern remixes from the multi-tracks.
Do you mean the stereo layer only?
Crap. How could I forget:
Fleetwood Mac - Rumors
Steely Dan - Two Against Nature
Greatful Dead - American Beauty (and) Workingman's Dead
Forigner - S/t and also 4 - depends on your tastes
Neil Young - Harvest - Excellent.
and I'd love to say Yes's Fragile, but I'm still on "the jury's out" mode. There's artifacts I'm hearing and a lot of weird stuff I don't hear on the other versions of Fragile.
The Doors, L.A. Woman
Sorry for the confusion, the title of the thread was chosen because a similar thread for SACD exists. I am more interested in DVD-A than SACD, so I started this.
If I'm not mistaken, there are at least three cases here:
a) DVD-A has the original 2-channel stereo mix in hi-res
b) DVD-A includes a remix in 2-channel stereo in hi-res
c) no 2-channel stereo, only multi-channel stereo (I think this is rare)
I'd say both a re-mix and the original mix have the potential to sound better than the regular CD. That's the information I am looking for. Of course it would be interesting to know if the 2-channel track on any particular DVD-A is a re-mix or the original mix.
All of the above, plus:
Winelight - Grover Washington
George Benson - Breezin'
Randy Newman - Little Criminals
Also - I liked the Yes/Fragile (DVD-A HiRez 5.1 Tracks)
The hi-rez two channel of America sounds incredible to me. The hi-rez M/C is even better.
REM- Automatic for the People
This isn't a DVD-Audio disc; it's a DAD. Granted, both formats offer hi-rez PCM audio, but one doesn't need a DVD-Audio player to play a DAD. A standard DVD-Video player will do. Also, one doesn't always find DADs in stores selling DVD-Audio discs. Tower stocks some DADs, but I haven't seen them at Circuit City or Best Buy.
Some of my favorites on DVD-Audio (sound quality and music):
* Steely Dan Two Against Nature
* Fleetwood Mac Rumours
* Eagles Hotel California
* Metallica Metallica
* America Homecoming
* Elvis Presley Elv1s 30 #1 Hits
* The Doors L.A. Woman
All that I have out do my cd on a stereo comparitive basis.
Queen's "The Game" and many more DVD-A discs coming will offer a 96/24 PCM track much like the DAD's. Still, Alan Parsons' I Robot, IMHO, should not be ignored. I felt that some people might catch that one later, after it's OOP and regret it, because, I feel, it is that good.
Actually, many of the DADs, albeit more expensive and less available, are even MORE worth getting.
Sckott, I wasn't in any way discounting your suggestion. Rather, I was just trying to make the distinction between formats and point out that one might not find the I Robot DAD as readily. I agree that the DAD is/was a great format. I have a handful of these discs, and they all sound great. Look at the labels putting these out. Classic Records and Chesky know what they are doing. I don't have the I Robot disc, but I have no doubt that it sounds great.
While we are talking about DADs, John Coltrane Blue Train is a must-have.
Yes, some DVD-Audio discs have a DAD track, which is smart.
I do not have a surround sound setup so I offer the above recommendation based on the stereo tracks only--they sound great!
I concur. I have maybe half a dozen DADs and I am very happy with these. I would like to hear about more recommendations. We should probably handle DADs under this thread, since they are essentially DVDs.
I recommend both John Lee Hooker DADs from Classic Records, and the John Coltrane "Blue Train" as released by Classic Records on DAD. IMHO the best release of this title.
I also have the "Ellington and Armstrong" DAD from Classic, which seems to be a bit of a mixed bag, as it is a remix from three track tapes, and on some tracks I like the remix and on others I don't. I also have a remix from Abbey Road which is good, but not outstanding, and the original mix on MFSL CD, and I come to the conclusion that a perfect release of this record does not yet exist, though the DAD is worth getting IMHO.
Most of these have already been mentioned. I do not have a DVD-A player...yet. Hopefully later this year, if some kind manufacturer would release a hybrid machine with DVD-A, SACD, CD, CD-R, CD-RW, MP3, ancd VCD capabilities, and include an HDCD encoder. Oh, and make it all regions on the DVD side. Did I miss anything?
Doobie Brothers - Captain And Me - The DTS mix blows away the Dolby Digital 5.1. It is night and day.
Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
Unfortunately the above two titles only offer me a Dolby Digital 5.1 mix. Rumours is great because you get "Silver Springs" as a bonus tracks, slotted in, I believe, where it was intended to go on the original album.
Brain Salad Surgery strips all the echo and reverb out of Greg Lake's voice. It is a real treat to listen to. Quote from Dolby.com. "When band members Keith Emerson and Greg Lake heard the 5.1 version...they both said "this was how we envisioned our music being heard, but we didn't have the format back then."
Neil Young - Harvest
Steely Dan - Two Against Nature
The other major consideration with DVD-Audio discs is to play around with the "group" button. Two examples are Elvis #1's and Al Green "Greatest Hits". The Elvis DVD-A has no on-screen menus. However, using the group button you can also access a hi rez stereo and mono track (otherwise the disc just defaults to surround). The Al Green disc doesn't mention DTS on the packaging, but play with the group button, and there it is. This is important to me because my order of preference on surround is DVD-A hi rez, DTS, and a distant third, Dolby Digital. The Al Green disc also has a Dolby Digital 48/24 stereo track that is not listed on the packaging. I guess the group button reveals the DVD-Audio version of "Easter Eggs" (as found on DVD-Video discs).
When they make a 2-channel 24/96 or 24/48 mix available to DVD-Video players, they have to put it in the "DVD-Video" group on the disc. There are a few other discs that offer DTS mixes without indicating it on the package, but I can't remember what they were.
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