Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Grant, Apr 29, 2003.
If you don't want to comment, don't. I'm just curious as to who uses these programs.
Actually, I've used them a few times and always wound up buying the original after sampling the MP3's...but I'm a collector and fanatic!
I've used them a few times looking for rare and unreleased stuff, but when it comes right down to it, I've got to have the real thing in my hands.
I also use them to find rare stuff. But that's all. I also choose to have the real deal, if I could actually obtain them.
Me too. Unreleased songs, demos, work tapes, you know obsessive, geeky stuff that would never be officially released.
File sharing of MP3s could never substitute for the real deal. Hell, even if I get a CD-R of an otherwise unavailable disc sourced the actual CD, I still search high and low for the real thing. The only reason I would use them is to temporarily fill a hole when it cannot be filled through any other means (e.g., some of the early Levon & The Hawks single sides). And as soon as they are released on CD, I'll be first in line to pick up the real thing.
I answered "No Never" because I really am turned off by the whole process. Sure I want unreleased stuff, but MP3's sound terrible on my system. Finding the song and downloading it has always been more trouble than it's worth to me.
However, I do like/use the feature on Amazon that let's you listen to 30 second clips of album tracks. This is what I love, you can get a "feel" for the songs to decide if you like the music. One minute would be better, but I can't complain because it's free.
Great thread, Grant.
I have about 10 CDRs full of mp3s that I downloaded off usenet about 3 years ago, mostly rare unreleased stuff, but I haven't downloaded mp3s since.
I never have used a file sharing program though.
I'm not even sure what they are. I do have a nail file that I'm willing to share, if anyone's interested. It's fairly clean.
Yea, great thread Grant. It seems we all fall into the same category. We'd rather have the original sources but want the unissued stuff too.
I downloaded "Toast & Marmalade For Tea" by Tin Tin and "Rainbow" by Marmalade once. Couldn't find them anywhere else. They were dubbed from some guy's off center 45's. I would have bought the songs on CD if I could have found them.
I also downloaded a bunch of different Napster era personal computer versions of "The In Crowd" by Dobie Gray trying to find an example of the old stereo LP version to use in my remixing attempt. They were all mono and really sounded like crap. That's it for me!
I've never used them. I am not pure as the driven snow: I did once record something I wasn't supposed to be able to from a web site -- it was a recording I had bought several times over, each time with lousy sound, and I wasn't about to buy a whole album yet again for that one song (it's sort of pathetic that the download, which had a remarkable notch at 10 kHz, sounded better than most of the vinyl). And I have one MP3 of a partial concert recording otherwise unavailable. I think that's it, though.
I don't know if the programs themselves are illegal but the copyright infringement from the downloads is.
I don't use them partly for that reason, and partly because I don't want to install software of such dubious origins deeply into my clean machines.
I may be less tempted than some because I generally want to sit down an pay full attention when I'm listening to music. I don't generally listen to music on my computer (unless I'm working on it).
And, though I would not have believed this in my younger years, frankly I already have enough music to listen to. I have a back log of recordings not yet explored. It *is* possible to become overwhelmed even with good things.
Steve! This has been available on CD for over a decade! It's on volume three of Rhino's "Have A Nice Day: Super Hits Of The 70s"! It is from a 45. This could be the file you downloaded.
I use the systems, but only to audition material. The sound is horrid, and frankly, unless the artist is a singles artist, I'm an 'album as art' kind of guy. I have bought MANY albums I probably would not have because I was able to sample songs with a file swapping system.
Yeah, I know, I was hoping for a better sounding version; instead, I probably got THAT version with some extra homeade computer generated compression.
I finally spent $6.00 and bought the Atco 45. Sounds a LOT better!
I love the guitar in the song:
I never use file sharing services and never will. NOT because of the hassle and poor sound quality (although these factors would prevent me from doing this even if I wasn't so against it) and NOT because I am an overly moral person (I'm not), or because it is illegal (I don't really care), or because I'm on the side of the record companies (I'm not), but because I think file sharing steps outside the bounds of rationality. If you're going to do something illegal you don't advertise it to the entire world. There is no WAY this isn't all going to end badly. At best, we might get stuck with discs that can't be copied at all or have audible (legal) copy protection. At worst, we're going to end up facing a lot of new laws and regulations restricting software programming and internet use.
Did toy with Napster back in its hayday, and I'll tell you it opened me up to more new artists and music that i hadn't heard before than anything else! Found a lot of rare and oop jazz CDs that way, but I usually end up buying what i like on CD after it's been rereleased or if i find it (oop) used.
The last few months I've been downloading a lot from the usenet newsgroups, but nearly all of it is either rare, oop, or someone's LP dubs (of stuff not yet out on CD). I've also been downloading bootlegs (mostly live and/or unreleased Beatles, Springsteen, and Dylan stuff), but that's only because I refuse to pay for bootlegs. In most cases, if the rare stuff was ever officially released I'd probably buy it.
I used Napster, and after that went down, other sharing programs to get rare and unreleased stuff, like Zappa's Beatles medley. I don't do it anymore, probably due to the crappy sound on most of those mp3s.
I use them once in a while, to get a particular song.
I downloaded today "Eve of Destruction".
I also do downloads from sites and groups centered on music.
I've never used any file sharing service.
Note to Steve: "Rainbow" is available on at least 2 Marmalade comps from oversea. I have 'em. I loved that song.
I've also used it occasionally for stuff you can't get otherwise-- for example. It's 11pm and someone from a funeral home calls and says, "Hey, do you have Elvis' version of AMAZING GRACE? We need it at 9 in the morning."
So I downloaded it. Or when I needed the theme to AMERICAN IDOL. Otherwise it's easier to get it from the radio station or the store.
I agree. File sharing programs have their occasional purposes but I do buy my music for the most part.
It isn't so much that the file sharing is illegal, but there is nothing that interests me enough most of the time. Don't get me wrong the stereo is on 8 hours or more a day at my house but it is music I choose not what has been chosen for me. If something comes out I want I buy it, simple. I want a higher fidelity version of the music then is offered in mp3 format.
I do use a couple of file sharing programs but that is for live music that is allowed to be shared by the bands. Grateful Dead shows and what ever the guys are calling themselves these days as well as all the various offshoots that still play and allow us to share the music.
I was programming an oldies station here in town. The large corporation I was working for would not buy me the oldies library i needed to program the station effectively. I ended up downloading about 1400 oldies titles at as high a bit rate as I could to get the titles needed. Then got reprimanded for "breaking company policy" by downloading.
This same company, distributes is digital library across the company to use on stations of like formats. I brought that up and the GM called the Regional Manager to get eh three of us on a conference call. The RM told me that he was sorry for not getting me the tools I needed to do the job. Then advised me that it was a quality issue, rather than a legal one..
I said "ok" and let it lie...
I have never used swapping programs for personal use... frankly it all sounds like crap!
I think of "file sharing" as my own personal radio station. I get to sample new music and decide if it's something I want to buy. Mtv and radio are a joke, as far as I'm concerned. I discovered Sigur Ros by downloading a couple of their tracks. I liked them so much I went out and bought the albums.
Mp3 files sound like garbage, I'm dumbfounded by people who use file-sharing services are their sole source for music. As a collector, I want the high-quality audio, and artwork. I have at least seven different versions of Dark Side of the moon on cd, I'm the type of customer that record labels love!
If I start getting nasty emails or messages from the record companies, they're not going to have a happy music consumer on their hands!
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