Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Strat-Mangler, Jul 11, 2014.
I like it, actually i'm playing it right now on spotify
It's kind of hard to express distaste from beyond the grave.
Let's not go making over-generalizations, please. Some like the chatter, some do not.
As a whole I prefer the original to the Naked, although the latter is an interesting occasional diversion.
But better? No, not overall. See my previous post for my reasons why...
I think that we can all agree that Let It Be was a uniquely problematic release from a point when the band was on its last legs. I understand the objections to the Spector mix and share many of them--what he did to "The Long & Winding Road" was pretty awful--though I think that they've been overblown somewhat. I also understand the appeal of what amounts to McCartney's revision with Naked, though it lost some of the original's ramshackle charm (barring Spector's orchestral excesses). My ideal version lies somewhere in between the two--which is basically what one fan did on The Albums That Never Were site, so this is now my go to version. Maybe some future set will manage to improve things further, but in the end, this is never going to be one of my favorite Beatles releases, given all of the internal problems with the band at that point.
Of course, I was not trying to imply otherwise. I meant that we will never know what John and George would have thought of Naked, but we can be sure Paul didn't approve of the Spector version.
And let's not forget George Ok'd the project before his passing. Yoko did too, and she is supposed to act on behalf of Lennon.
Paul didn't approve of one song. Did he have other complaints about Spector's mix?
Do we know to what extent Ringo and Yoko were involved with Naked? It's one thing to simply sign off on a project, but that's not the same thing as active participation. George may have approved of the concept, but he obviously wasn't around to see the final product.
He only talked about TLAWR because it's the only song by him to which Spector added orchestration. But obviously, he produced Naked because he didn't agree with Spector's approach.
I don't think any of them had an active participation on it, but the same can be said about the Spector version (I think Ringo attended one session, but I higly doubt he gave Spector any indication). At least Naked was signed off by the four parties. The original was released without Paul's consent.
George was dying. I doubt he was interested in getting into another spat with Paul at that point in his life. John didn't approve anything.
Once again, I have no objection to Naked as long as it's viewed as what is--Paul's latter day revision of the Let It Be sessions. I'm glad that you enjoy it, but this argument has grown tedious to me.
And yet, it's true. Hmmm...
What's true? The fact that a dying man and a dead man's estate signed off on a project that they had no involvement with?
It's Ok, I'm not even arguing, I'm just stating what happened. None of the versions were sanctioned by all four members of the band. John was responsible for the original version and Paul for Naked. We have both versions and can enjoy both (yes, I enjoy the Spector version too).
Now that I can get on board with.
i've similar views to you in that regard, restore was was lost from the spector version aside from orchestrations, and don't forget I me mine which is basically the same save the orchestration, much better, restore the fun but stick as close as poss to the core principle of the project
Nice redirect but no, I'm referring to the fact all 4 parties voluntarily signed off. Nobody held a gun to their head and none of them needed the money. And all of them held the power by being able to veto it but chose not to use it.
Yes it is Paul's latter day revision to try and restore the spirit of the original Project and if you recall John was very vocal on support for that original project ( " we don't want any of your production crap " ). Of course the band were left with the clock ticking on getting something releasable out in time for the film ( and that didn't make John puke " ) so John - and George - gave it to spector, the band was no longer a functioning unit and Paul had decided to go for long periods off message and on the sauce.
I do suspect that John may well have approved of Naked since he was so keen on the original project - but we will never know. Certainly as far as I know Yoko had no objection although i know that is not the same.
There's no less tinkering on LIBN than there is on Let It Be.
Your talking about a legal question. No one challenges Naked's legal right to exist.
I don't know about how involved Ringo Starr was, but he says this about "...Naked" (from 2003 rediff article quoting RS interview; notice he says "tracks" (plural):
I consistently go to LIBN for "Across the Universe", "I Me Mine" and "I've Got a Feeling" (hearing John's harmonies higher in the mix is always a good thing).... These are my favorite versions of these three songs. And the other mixes don't bother me, even if they aren't better than what Specter did in 1970....
I do like "The Long and Winding Road" on LIBN as well, and I'm glad that alt version is there, but the even more stripped back version on Anthology 3 was already my favorite, and the LIBN version doesn't really improve on it, IMO.
Props also for finally including "Don't Let Me Down" (in any version) on LET IT BE, where it belonged, and they could have just slapped the b-side version on this, but instead gave us the rooftop version, which I appreciate, even if the b-side version is the one I slightly prefer.
But this was definitely a botched opportunity to present a new longer and better sounding mix/edit of "Dig It" which could have been an interesting "lost" Beatles track if it was edited well. And this is a knit-pick, but I think they should have used George's original 1969 vocal for "For You Blue" instead of the re-do he did in early 1970.
Of course the "Fly on the Wall" disc was cool to hear, but somewhat impenetrable on further listens because it should been broken up into individual tracks. The last knock on it is the ugly cover.
As much talk/flack there is about what Specter did to "The Long and Winding Road," my question is this: How in the heck does Specter, or anyone, listen the 1968 tapes of "Across the Universe" and not put out a sparse acoustic mix of that song with only Beatles on it, which is perfectly great, as evidenced by the "Hums Wild" bootlegs and others. Slowing the tape down to a crawl and slathering on not only strings but a choir was way overkill, and it comes across like Specter just trying to put his stamp on things and justify his producer credit.
That's why I'm so happy that LIBN finally put out a simpler edition of "Across the Universe." Worth the price of admission for me!
Or on any other Beatles album, true. But I think in Naked the tinkering is designed to conceal the seams, to offer a coherent album. In the original the tinkering is grossly obvious because it goes against the purpose of the album.
What about the version of Let It Be that NONE of the Beatles approved of?
To be clear I tend to think that Let It Be is one of their lesser albums in either/any form. But let me put this debate this way: The Beatles are definitely my favorite group/performer/act of all time. Definitely. And I have all their material released from their studio recordings in at least one version.
But I disliked Let It Be so much that I never bought it. Until Naked was released, and I got it. Which is the only version I have.
It's still one of their lesser albums. But Naked is better than the original. I understand some argue its more spare sound fits on some but not necessarily all. But I tend to not know what to make of that observation. For me what works on my favorite song on the album, Across the Universe, pretty much works on all the songs. On the Spectorized version Universe is layered to excess. Imo the Beatles should have done Universe with just John's vocal backed up by an acoustic guitar, so of course the Naked version comes much closer to that, and sounds much more compelling. Same for Long and Winding Road, of course with piano instead of guitar.
Many of the actual songs for Let it Be are as good as anything they did imho, the problem was the nature of the project, the performances " live " in the studio and the problems just snowballed from that, there is a great Beatles album in there somewhere and i've make my fantasy play for that album earlier.
What is tantalizing is the ultimate Let it Be tracklists we will all be able to make for our own personal favorite edition once the 50th Anniversary Box Set is released Drawing from the original LP, Anthology, LIBN and the 50th Edition
Again, we'll have to agree to disagree, and I respect your view. But I don't believe we're saying the same thing, because I believe the 33 years ("the only difference") makes all the difference. The original album was only barely posthumous, and was not planned to be ~ it was released in their original trajectory, simply the group had disbanded by the time it got to shelves. McCartney's solo album came out just three weeks earlier, and his infamous q&a press release for that was the first time the world at large heard the group was over. Let It Be was already in the can.
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