Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by guy incognito, May 3, 2009.
If this guy doesn't know who the problem is, should we tell him?
I get what you are saying on a philosophical level - but I have no complaints - I mean where else this year could I have watched Jeff Beck play for 20 minutes on cable TV? It's worth it to see some of these legends get together and perform.
Madonna and Chic are in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame?
Yes they are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
If you won't I will.......The problem is the exclusion of RUSH
Anyone ever been there? Its five friggin floors of nuthin but rock n roll, baby. Memorabila and multimedia stuff from ALL kinds of bands, whether theyve been inducted or not. Loud rock n roll blasting so you can hear as you make your approach (last time I was there was 2000, and it was Motley Crue's "Wildside" cranking at full volume as I walked across the plaza to the entrance).
So they induct people like Chic and Madonna. Big deal. Cant say for sure about Chic, but Madonna is worthy. Like her or not, she changed the face of music in the 80s. As for Rush, I sure they will get to them soon enough.
Oh yeah, to be totally honest, its five floors of rock and roll, and overpriced food and souvenirs. Cool thing about my last visit though; the 5th floor is for special exhibits, and when I was there it was John Lennon. Sitting in the middle of all his stuff was a white telephone (incoming only, couldnt dial out), when I asked an usher what it was all about, she said "if it rings, answer it! Yoko calls just about every day to ask random fans what they think of the exhibit!" Yoko didnt call while I was there though.
I've never had an issue with who is inducted, but agree with the fact that there are gaping holes in the roster as well.
Where's that praying kid picture?
Chic actually isn't in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
Political correctness has much to do with the whole process...
I disagree. It's not like the R&RHOF diverges from what I've observed as the general critical consensus of the past thirty-some years. With the exception of a few borderline cases like Chic or the Stooges, it's easy to predict who will get in and who will be excluded.
For example, Public Enemy will get in the R&RHOF and Styx will not. That's not political correctness, that's how the bands were reviewed during and after their commercial heyday. Styx fans know their band was never a critics' favorite, and you don't have to like Public Enemy to know they were a latter day Clash of sorts, critics' darlings widely perceived as the most important act of their day. The R&RHOF will almost certainly reflect that critical opinion.
As for the recurring complaint that it's Jann Wenner's personal HOF, I'd ask if the roster of inductees would be profoundly different if a Robert Christgau, Dave Marsh, Greil Marcus or anyone else who's authored or edited large historical surveys of the field were in charge. Again, with a few exceptions, the overall roster would likely remain intact.
Little Anthony and the Imperials? WTF?
Are they in? If not, they should be!
Given even a cursory look at the inductees from years past, the induction of Little Anthony and the Imperials makes perfect sense. Of course, there's the music too.
They got in earlier this year, long overdue.
I've always thought a rock 'n roll museum rather misses the point about rock 'n roll, anyway.
I've not been to Cleveland, but we have our own version here in Seattle (the Experience Music Project, built by Paul Allen and leaning towards NW rock). I visited it once, and feel no desire to go back. There's loads of amazing memorabilia I suppose, but seeing (say) Jimi Hendrix's velvet loon pants behind glass does nothing to connect me to the spirit of rock. It all makes the pop music of the last fifty years seem as alive and relevant as a powdered wig and a musket.
The real home of rock is where it's always been; in that musty box of old Trouser Press or NME magazines you kept from the Seventies, the t-shirt that Jimmy Page's roadie gave you, tattered backstage passes, old tapes of Let It Be outtakes, etc. I.e., your collected stuff that your own memories imbue with life, shared with like-minded friends.
Rock 'n roll is not intended to be curated. It's supposed to be outsider, rebellious music.
Isn't it? Or am I just a sad old git?
But (sigh) I suppose the way the business has gone the last quarter-century or so, it makes sense that the HOF, EMP etc. is what we get. Ex-U.S. presidents hanging out backstage with the Rolling Stones, corporate weasels running much of the biz, etc. But the fact that a certain rock critic sensibility informs the whole thing is secondary to the real issue.
What's a logical, rational look at the R&R HOF doing in here?
Threads like this should be called "Sour Grapes, Or 'I Hate The R&R HOF Because They Left Out My Favorite Band!!!"
Blobbidittyblibbidtyblah. I enjoyed both of my trips to the museum. They can't induct 50 acts a year, they'll get to yours eventually, and if they don't, so what. I like seeing the past curated. I never got to see Nirvana, so it was kinda neat seeing Kobain's Fender Mustang, even if it was behind glass. I can connect via the music whenever I want. It's nice that someone is taking care of these artifacts, and making them public. Same for the Cleveland Museum of Art. How come nobody's bitching that I didn't get to see any Picasso?
Finally someone gets the point--its about having some fun with rock n roll; its not like taking a pilgrimage to Mecca or something. Im a BIG New Order fan, but if they dont ever make it to the hall, so friggin what, a trip to the Hall is still a wicked good time
Correct. Chic, War, and the Stooges were nominated in 2009 but were not inducted.
Question: Why the Rock & Roll HOF Misses the Point About Rock & Roll?
Answer: Persons from this forum are not running the R&R HOF.
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