Why were CDs recorded in 16-bit/44.1khz?

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by MZ_RH1, Feb 5, 2017.

  1. chrism1971

    chrism1971 Forum Resident

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    Please tell me that was supposed to be a joke.
    We English never quite know with you guys.
     
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  2. grandegi

    grandegi Blind test maniac

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    Who knows whether it's only a myth.
     
  3. enfield

    enfield Forum Resident

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    I think its a bit of myth to say that CD players sounded bright.Philips early DAC's (TDA 1541/1543) that we used in many of the early machines were not bright at all and had a lovely analogue sound signature.The brightness came from early digital recording,mastering,filtering techniques where HF responses were often emphasized due to over-compensation, or engineers wanting that zingy analytical sound as an anidote /alternative to the more reserved(and in their eye)s old fashion sound of Lp's and Cassette.
     
  4. chewy

    chewy Forum Resident

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    Oh, so the spec isnt original redbook?
     
  5. Diver110

    Diver110 Forum Resident

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    The problem with that argument is that when I played pre-purchase CDs, they sounded better on the Meridian. So my experience is that did a better job with playback. That said, doubtless there were also mastering improvements.
     
  6. enfield

    enfield Forum Resident

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    Am i right in thinking that Meridian used Philips transports and DAC's in their models..If so,then no doubt it would have sounded better than the very early Cd players (that initially had below average DAC's fitted to them.)
     
  7. MZ_RH1

    MZ_RH1 Active Member Thread Starter

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    So old DACs are better than newer ones?
     
  8. JimmyCool

    JimmyCool Elvis Presley Expert

    Well mastered CDs sound as good as it gets.
     
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  9. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    I don't have a super system, either. But, you don't necessarily need one to hear it. what you want to listen for is the width of the soundstage , depth, clarity of transients, and transient smearing. all of those things will be less at redbook.
     
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  10. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    All CDs are mastered. And, no, not all newly remastered CDs are good, which one of the main points of this forum. Its always a case-by-case basis.
     
  11. PhilBiker

    PhilBiker sh.tv member number 666

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    Last time I visited my local thrift they had an old Magnavox CD player from the 80s that certainly has one of the old Philips DACs in it. The case was somehow damaged so you couldn't press the keys. I almost brought it home anyway, and may go back for it. Just for curiosity.
     
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  12. PhilBiker

    PhilBiker sh.tv member number 666

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    The CD-Text spec is a 90s invention. The original CD format really should have had text, but it was left out.
     
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  13. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    I owned a very bright CD player in the 80s. I discovered this in 1990 when I stepped up to a better player. it wasn't usually the CDs, but those from the Arista label were the worst, IMO.
     
  14. crispi

    crispi Vinyl Archaeologist

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    I love you, Grant, but how is what you said in any way relevant to the @JimmyCool post you quoted? :laugh:
     
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  15. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    If there was more, I can't see it.
     
  16. kevinsinnott

    kevinsinnott Forum Coffeeologist

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    It certainly varies with the Brand and model. My first CD player was a Sony D-5 and it had a very hard bright sound. My second CD player was a Philips/Magnvox and it had no such hardness. I didn't realize what digital chips were inside, but the Magnavox had the TDA chips which became years later sought-after for multiple-chip DACs. You're right. Totally different. I'm a big fan of some Sony products, including a few of their early CD players which strangely do not exhibit any hardness, but overall, Philips is to me the better sounding brand in the good old days.
     
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  17. enfield

    enfield Forum Resident

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    Depends what sound you are looking for..Most DAC,s from the last 10 years will sound really good..I love the sound of 80's philips DAC's,(Smooth analogue sound) .Or mid-90's Sony 'pulse' DAC's.(Beautifully transparent and great for classical music).
     
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  18. MZ_RH1

    MZ_RH1 Active Member Thread Starter

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    I've seen those pulse CD players at Goodwill. Maybe I'll pick one up
     
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  19. Tony Cruse

    Tony Cruse Tc

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    Anyone else get suckered into purchasing a green felt-tip pen to line the edges of a CD? Apparently it was supposed to stop the laser leaking thus making the digital reading more accurate!
    I couldn't tell any difference but could there be any truth in the pens claims?
    [​IMG]
     
  20. kevnhuys

    kevnhuys Forum Resident

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    But not all are *well mastered*, which is what he wrote.
     
  21. MZ_RH1

    MZ_RH1 Active Member Thread Starter

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    Seriously???. Its digital. Either it reads the 0s and 1s or it doesnt read them at all.
     
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  22. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    I remember seeing that crap in shops. You know I've actually never run into a used disc using it.
    However I did find this one with a 'stabilizer' ring, Pfft, like this mastering needed any a help... :laugh:
    [​IMG]
     
  23. Diver110

    Diver110 Forum Resident

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    Yup, I got snookered too.
     
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  24. tim185

    tim185 Forum Resident

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    To think some dips*** in Stereophile actually printed the pen story. Yeah, they printed it. LOL.
     
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  25. PhilBiker

    PhilBiker sh.tv member number 666

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    I'm afraid to try to take the stabilizer ring off this one:
    [​IMG]
     
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