Yes - Close To The Edge on wax

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Moulty, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. Moulty

    Moulty Member Thread Starter

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    So, I've searched the topic to some extent before starting this thread - not entirely satisfactorily.

    My original 1841 Broadway LPs of The Yes Album and Fragile are about as beautiful sounding as anything I've ever heard - super full and rich sound.

    However, my Broadway Close To The Edge is a real disappointment. Really trebly, thin, weak and brittle. Do I have a lemon, or is this a problematic pressing?

    As regards this particular title on vinyl, what preferences do other listeners have?

    Thanks, as always.
     
  2. ssmith3046

    ssmith3046 Forum Resident

    The only copy I have is the Friday Music release which is 1/2 speed mastered and pressed on 180g vinyl. I'm happy with it.
     
  3. Runt

    Runt Forum Resident

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  4. Scott Wheeler

    Scott Wheeler Forum Resident

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    Which version do you have? There are several. They range in sound quality from the best to the worst.
     
  5. spaulding

    spaulding Forum Resident

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    My MFSL vinyl is what I reach for over the Broadway and Friday Music (which has a non-fill issue).
    One of the handful of early MFSL vinyl that is full bodied thru the mids.
     
  6. Ben Adams

    Ben Adams Forum Resident

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    Yes, the deadwax info would help.
     
  7. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    I do recall hearing two 1841 Broadway copies and preferring a Monarch AT/GP over the other one (maybe Richmond?). The Monarch had a fuller less brittle sound.

    That's my 2c for rock's greatest achievement ;)
     
  8. BlackCircle

    BlackCircle Forum Resident

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    I have an original, the MFSL & just recently I got a DJ WLP Monarch cut. The MFSL is better than the original, but the WLP is really nice. Haven't really done a shootout but on initial listen I thought it WLP better than the MFSL. YMMV. I can't remember all of the matrix info but I could post it if you like. I do remember seeing that the WLP is visually different than the original as it appears to be banded to show the individual tracks.
     
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  9. TLMusic

    TLMusic Musician & record collector

    My Close to the Edge vinyl synopsis:

    US Atlantic
    -A at/gp cut is the brightest
    -B at/gp is less bright but still very forward
    -DJ at/gp cut (found on WLP and stock copies) is more midrangey and compressed, less strident

    Records made at Presswell and Monarch sound fuller than ones made at Philips Richmond, Indiana.



    UK
    A1 B1 has a warm tone, not much extreme highs or lows, very pleasant but not as detailed and open at the US cuts
    Later UK cuts (A2, A3) are similar to the 1st UK, maybe a bit more open but not as full



    There is an US RCA record club edition that doesn't sound very good

    I've never heard the Friday Music version

    The old MFSL is a bit thin and a bit bright but has marvelous detail and silent backgrounds. That is my go to version.
     
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  10. Moulty

    Moulty Member Thread Starter

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    Trying to read the deadwax in semi-darkness (just got back from a Fab Faux concert and full of beer) -

    ST - A72Z619A

    The smaller characters are impossible to read, it seems.
     
  11. Moulty

    Moulty Member Thread Starter

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    There is a Friday copy going for a decent price at a local used retailer. I may take a chance on it.
     
  12. George Blair

    George Blair Forum Resident

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    Just got an early German copy I'll have to listen to and compare with, I think, a later US copy at/gp.
     
  13. Spitfire

    Spitfire Forum Resident

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    Has anybody compared the new European only reissue to older copies yet?
     
  14. TLMusic

    TLMusic Musician & record collector

    As mentioned above, the -A cut is very bright, in my experience.
     
  15. Scott Wheeler

    Scott Wheeler Forum Resident

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    the first Piros cut is very very bright. but if you can EQ it you end up with IMO far and away the best version. But if you don't EQ it then it is too bright. I can do it quite effectively by loading down my cartridge with the variable loading feature on my preamp.
     
  16. Moulty

    Moulty Member Thread Starter

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    I really appreciate all of the feedback and insight.
     
  17. Paul K

    Paul K Well-Known Member

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    I have a later Piros...a -D cut...less bright but not as commanding as the -A cut...
     
  18. TLMusic

    TLMusic Musician & record collector

    Never seen that one. Does it have Rockefeller labels with the WB logo?
     
  19. Moulty

    Moulty Member Thread Starter

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  20. Paul K

    Paul K Well-Known Member

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    It is a later Rockefeller with the post 1977 reissue 5 digit number.
     
  21. Slick Willie

    Slick Willie Decisively Indecisive

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    What I've discovered is that all 1841's are not created equal. I have two AT/GP's (a very sloppy AT GP in the dead wax} that are 1841 and a MFSL and all sound great!! I also had a Friday Music copy that I sold - just was not happy with that one. I usually go for the GP's - more intense. The MFSL is smoother and more detailed. Is your copy a music club issue? The ones I own have that info on the back cover or on the label. Those usually, in my experience, sound weak and thin. Also I had a 75 Rock, also a GP that sounded very good. A lot of Atlantic LP's will have 1841 on the cover, but the label will have 75 Rock, check that out if you have not already done so. In the end, if you do not like the sound - just keep buying until ya' do, that's what I do. Of course I have a "problem", but it's a fun one!!!
     
  22. Runt

    Runt Forum Resident

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    I'm also curious about this one. Anybody have it yet?
     
  23. Scott Wheeler

    Scott Wheeler Forum Resident

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  24. Moulty

    Moulty Member Thread Starter

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    It's neither - thanks for the tip, though.

    Yeah, I'm totally okay with that method. I mean, the point of all this is to have something that you'll want to play all the time, and if there's a bit of trial and error inolved...no one's gonna die.

    There doesn't seem to be any real major consensus, so I'm willing to go "empirical" based on all the help I've gotten here.
     
  25. Moulty

    Moulty Member Thread Starter

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    It's certainly one of them, isn't it?
     

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