In what will now become a series of threads on albums by great bands that are possibly dismissed or unloved by some of the fan base. I would like to hear your thoughts and opinions on these two. Once again I find myself surprised that some Yes fans have dismissed these two albums, or flat out dislike them. I can find a tremendous amount to like about both of these efforts even though they are not the quintessential Yes albums and I am very grateful they exist. Has time and space changed your opinion on these? How long has it been since you gave these albums a serious listen? Your thoughts please.