Your favourite Bear Family releases

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  1. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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    When you listen to shows on CD.They sometimes are in stereo,another time in mono.

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  2. hotshotskings

    hotshotskings Member

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    There was a cd released called "The Best of the Johnny Cash TV Show: 1969-1971" which I own. If only we had a box set of music from all 58 episodes!
     
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  3. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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    That would be a great cd box set.

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  4. Mr. H

    Mr. H Forum Resident

    Been dreaming about both of these ideas for years...
     
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  5. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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  6. Mychael

    Mychael Well-Known Member

    The problem with these sorts of compilation DVDs of TV shows is the rights issue, especially in the US. For a proper release you have to get clearance from every musician involved (and that includes the tambourine player who's out of shot for most of the time) – which takes a lot of time and makes everything very expensive.
    Richard Weize tried to compile the Marty Stuart Show episodes: even though it was Marty and a couple of regulars from the show who proposed this (and Stuart is the producer of the show), it was impossible. A double DVD with 4 hours playing time would have cost nearly 100 $ in the shops, and some episodes wouldn't get a release because they couldn't get an agreement with certain musicians.... Now try to imagine that for a show from the sixties or seventies, with current rights holders expecting big money, or participants with unknown wherabouts. Even checking the possibilities would mean hiring a lawyer with a budget equalling the complete production costs of two Bear Family boxes.
     
  7. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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    So that is why the Town Hall Party DVDs are possible to make.Mostly all of the stars on the shows is no longer alive.Let us have more Town Hall Party DVDs.
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  8. Tribute

    Tribute Forum Resident

    Legal rights don't have much to do with whether an artist is alive or dead. Quite often, it is much more complex and difficult after an artist's death.
     
  9. Tribute

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    I found a copy of one of the rarest Bear box sets (vinyl only, 8 LPs+book) at a garage sale on Saturday!!

    It seems unlikely to be reissued.


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  10. searchwarrantblues

    searchwarrantblues New Member

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    My favorite would have to be the boxed set through which I discovered Bear Family:

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    Very niche, but wonderful music of a lost cause.
     
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  11. Dave Thompson

    Dave Thompson Active Member

    Just received (and I'm halfway through) the Florida and Texas boxes... they look fantastic, Bear Family perfection, and they sound SO good!! And on the subject of prices, great prices/well-packaged delivery at the MVD shop
     
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  12. Reader

    Reader Forum Resident

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    I checked the prices at this site and for the ones I've bought they are almost and sometimes more than double what Ernie B was charging. Prices have gone up since the new distribution deal started.
     
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  13. spanky1

    spanky1 Forum Resident

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    I can't comment on the packaging since I haven't seen it, but I don't think I'd call the prices from MVD "great". Also, their website is pretty poor. I looked at a couple of Bear sets and single cds, and there wasn't a track listing.
     
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  14. Tribute

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    I checked the price I paid at Ernie B's for the Jerry Lee Lewis new box, and it was $224 minus a $50 discount that they offer routinely, for total of $174.
    MVD, now the exclusive dealer, charges $392. Some Ernie's customers may never have signed up for the regular discount coupons (too bad). If they did not, MVD did a 75% increase in price for the Jerry Lee set. With the Ernie's coupon in place, MVD did a 125% price increase.

    No wonder some of the posters above are saying they cannot justify buying the new Jerry Lee set

    What a great deal that exclusive MVD contract was for Bear Family customers.

    This is more than a nail in the coffin. It is a spike through the heart
     
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    Almost a year ago I posted this comment on another Hoffman thread about the MVD Exclusive distribution agreement of Bear Family

    "This appears to be VERY BAD news. I checked the MVD website, and the new Jerry Lee Lewis box is $522! At Ernie B's, if you register, it is only $228.
    Does anyone else think this is good? It may mean the end of my purchases. I note the MVD spokesman says the deal "allows MVD to expand further into the high end music collector's market". I bet none of us like "high end prices". I will not be stiffed for the audiophile prices that many distributors demand. I have a nearly complete collection of Bear Family boxes, but maybe no more."


    When I posted that I did not mention the frequent special coupons offered by Ernies, that reduced the price even further.

    It looks like MVD noticed that NO ONE was biting at $522, so they decided to drop it to $392. Somehow, I think hardly anyone will bite at that price either.
    Is it any surprise that the frequency of new box set releases has dropped off a cliff?
     
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  16. DEAN OF ROCK

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  17. Tribute

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    The creator downloaded it from a torrent site for free, slapped it on about $6 worth of blank DVD-Rs and charges $150.
     
  18. Mychael

    Mychael Well-Known Member

    Bear Family box sets released in 2014: 4
    Bear Family box sets released in 2015: 4
    Bear Family box sets released in 2016: 3
    Bear Family box sets released in 2017: 1 (three more finished or in production as of April, two more at planning stage)

    ...not counting updates or re-releases such as this one:
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  19. Tribute

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    True, but draw that timeline back further and further
     
  20. spanky1

    spanky1 Forum Resident

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    I think you are right, and the whole situation concerns me. I don't know that we will see an immediate impact, but a year or two of poor sales will not bode well for them or us. I hate to see them forced to cheapen things at some point.
     
  21. Mychael

    Mychael Well-Known Member

    Maybe you know more than the people at Bear Family, but so far sales from the MVD deal are far from "poor".
     
  22. spanky1

    spanky1 Forum Resident

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    Nope, never claimed to know more than them. I can't imagine that sales have increased since the deal went into place. I think many of the sales for the past few months were dealers clearing out their stock. The next year or 2 will show how the good or bad the MVD deal is. I'm no marketing expert, but I DO KNOW that if you substantially raise the price of an item and reduce the channels of distribution, you will not help your sales.

    Exceptions can include exotic or rare items, but we are talking about cds. I know that the Bear Family products are not as readily available as they were a couple years ago. I also know that the MVD prices are nowhere near as good as Ernie B's or CDWOLF when he was in business.
     
  23. mikeja75

    mikeja75 Forum Resident

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    U.S.
    Prices have gone up in the US and I no longer purchase the large sets from Bear Family at all. I have to assume that the sales of BF for new and catalog sets has plummeted. At least in the US. Agree?

    I used to consider a number of different sets by artists that I normally don't collect -- and I bought a number of them.

    No more. I don't bother even looking any longer...
     
  24. cdwolf

    cdwolf Active Member

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    South Carolina

    2007, my last full year selling BF, had at least 8 new boxsets, plus numerous smaller items...and there were no re-releases or updates (not sure those should even count at all). Earlier years would often have 3 or 4 boxsets every quarter, for an annual total of a dozen or so.
     
  25. Tribute

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    If a boxset has been updated in any way (new book upgrade, or added tracks or remastered tracks), it should get a new catalog number so customers can keep things clear and understood when making purchases. That is the practice in the rest of the industry (though book upgrades are not typical) But as the Wolf said, the updates are not really completely new products (except for cases like the Johnny Horton, Jerry Lee etc).

    What is the update to the Jimmy Martin set? Text? Photos? New Music? Will it have a new catalog number? If it has the same catalog number, many collectors may hesitate to make a purchase, as the dealers will not really know in many cases (if you ask them)
     
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