Your favourite Bear Family releases

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by GodBlessTinyTim, Mar 3, 2015.

  1. Reader

    Reader Forum Resident

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    e.s.t. tenn.
    I do think many dealers were selling out their stock over the past few months. Even Ernie B still sold through Amazon after he quit selling BF at his website and the prices were great. I got the ones I was really wanting but no longer plan on getting more until the MVD deal changes.

    There are 3 or 4 I will get through some aftermarket seller but will get none through MVD or BF itself. They have about lost my business overall.

    The last new box I got was the Roy Acuff for about $170 compared to about $350 everywhere else now. Not good news for BF.

    Another BF problem is quality control. Remember the DVD problem with the Acuff box. No solution for it is there? I'm almost done with Bear Family.
     
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  2. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    I've seen Ernie B's prices quoted a lot on this forum and they are really great. But they appear to be one of the only sellers that sell that low. They must be working on very low margins as I've not really seen, outside of sales, anyone selling so cheaply.

    $522 does indeed seem high and $392 is closer to the prices I've seen elsewhere, both US and non US.

    To me Ernie B prices seem more of an outlier than a regular price.

    Were there many other sellers with such low prices, excluding sales, in the US?
     
  3. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    On paper that definitely rings true regarding reduced channels of distribution. But reduced suppliers doesn't necessarily have to mean reduced access. It's really access that we're talking about. If access is reduced then that's a problem. As long as MVD can provide the same level of easy access I don't think they'll be hurt sales wise.

    Prices on the other hand, different story.
     
  4. cdwolf

    cdwolf Active Member

    Location:
    South Carolina

    I posted this on another thread about 8 months ago but it gives you a good overview of the economics of selling BF items.
     
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  5. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

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    Thanks @cdwolf I must have missed that the first time around.
     
  6. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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    Norway
  7. Mychael

    Mychael Well-Known Member

    To give some perspective: Bear Family released 9 box sets in 2007. Four of these were European/German language releases, with up to 10 discs (the international releases had 4 to 6 CDs each).
    In the last 4 years there was at least one box set released per year that would equal 5 or 6 "standard" BF boxes: the Chuck Berry set (or the forthcoming Louisiana Hayride box) is like all of the Hank Snow or Bill Monroe sets compiled into one volume, with years of research and preparation.
    And before you say, "I wish they would release more smaller sets..." – the 13-disc Country Rock project was issued as separate volumes, same as the Doo-Wop project.

    So it's not as if the Bear Family teams are slowing down; I'm working on 10 - 15 box set projects each year (more than half of them for BF, including updates of previous sets), and there are two other design teams at work there, too. (Plus, there's always research done on possible releases that for various reasons never reach the design stage...)
     
  8. cdwolf

    cdwolf Active Member

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    South Carolina
    I count the following boxsets for 2007 (based on when they first showed up in my inventory...I always had them by release date, usually a bit earlier...no German releases included):

    16637 Bill Monroe - Last Days On Earth
    16749 Merle Haggard - Hag: Studio Recordings 1968-76
    16751 Wilma Lee & Stony Cooper - Big Midnight Special
    16808 Charlie Monroe - Old Kentucky Bound
    16818 George Jones - She Thinks I Still Care
    16821 Nashville Stars On Tour
    16849 American Folk & Country Festival
    16842 Gene Vincent - Outtakes (not a big box, but 6 CDs selling for over $100 so a boxset IMO)

    Earlier years also had "monster boxes", e.g. Carter Family, two Bob Wills, Beyond Recall, two Nat King Coles, etc., so the Chuck Berry is nothing out of the ordinary.
     
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  9. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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    Bear Family Records is a company from Germany so i do not complain if they use time to make cd box sets with music from Germany.
    They are doing an amazing good job.:righton::tiphat:
     
  10. cdwolf

    cdwolf Active Member

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    South Carolina
    I wasn't complaining about BF's German releases...if that's how you somehow understood my post, then I wasn't clear enough. Sorry.

    My point was that Mychael claimed there were 9 boxsets in 2007, including 4 European/German releases. Instead I counted at least 8 international boxsets alone. Added to the 4 European/German sets, that would total at least 12 boxsets that year.
     
  11. Mychael

    Mychael Well-Known Member

    I didn't "claim" anything – I just stated the numbers from Bear Family's original release schedule from 2007 (Yes I know, I could have added all kinds of other releases to beef up the sum total...). And I guess I made it clear that in my opinion it isn't about numbers – I just tried to make it clear that Bear Family is not slowing down.

    But then again, maybe it's time that I leave these discussions for good; everybody here seems to know more about Bear Family, their plans and their sales than those who are in daily contact with them.:confused:
     
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  12. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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    I dont have Money to buy everything.I hope someday to win in lottery so i can drive to Bear Family and fill up my car!:pineapple::tiphat:
     
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  13. spanky1

    spanky1 Forum Resident

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    You don't want to do that. Don't take it personally. Remember that most of us in this thread are long-time customers of Bear Family. We've seen things(both real and imagined) that concern us about future pricing and availability. I think all of us (as music fans) want BF to succeed.

    As someone connected to the company, you are able to keep us informed(as much as allowable), and we are grateful for it.
     
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  14. cdwolf

    cdwolf Active Member

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    Except that BF clearly is slowing down. You stated this in an earlier post:

    Bear Family box sets released in 2014: 4
    Bear Family box sets released in 2015: 4
    Bear Family box sets released in 2016: 3
    Bear Family box sets released in 2017: 1 (three more finished or in production as of April, two more at planning stage)


    Yet we know that in 2007 there were at least 8 int'l boxsets. Or to try a different approach at a yardstick: I carried a total of 244 different int'l boxsets in the time I was selling BF. If we divide that 244 by the 30 years between BF's first boxset and 2007, we get a long-term average of slightly over 8 boxsets per year. Compared to your own numbers above, that would suggest a significant 50% dropoff.
     
  15. signothetimes53

    signothetimes53 Forum Resident

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    Burlington VT USA
    Oh fudge.

    There's a problem with the DVD? I haven't gotten around to playing it yet. What's wrong with it?
     
  16. cdwolf

    cdwolf Active Member

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    South Carolina
    Corrected:

    Except that BF clearly is slowing down. You stated this in an earlier post:

    Bear Family box sets released in 2014: 4
    Bear Family box sets released in 2015: 4
    Bear Family box sets released in 2016: 3
    Bear Family box sets released in 2017: 1 (three more finished or in production as of April, two more at planning stage)


    Yet we know that in 2007 there were at least 8 int'l boxsets. Or to try a different approach at a yardstick: I carried a total of 244 different int'l boxsets in the time I was selling BF. If we divide that 244 by the 20 years between BF's first boxset and 2007, we get a long-term average of slightly over 12 boxsets per year. Compared to your own numbers above, that would suggest a significant 67% dropoff.
     
  17. GodBlessTinyTim

    GodBlessTinyTim Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Ontario, Canada
    Man, hope this thread doesn't end up locked...

    Snagged a lesser-known BF title the other day, Rollee McGill's Rhythm Rockin' Blues. So little is known about the man that the biography is a scant seven pages long. Similarly, the personnel are unknown for all but one of his recording sessions.

     
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  18. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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    Rollie McGill - there goes that train. Rare 45
     
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  19. 2scoops

    2scoops Member

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    Birmingham UK
    Mychael, I for one value your comments and appreciate the facts and information you supply, as opposed to rumours and hearsay
     
  20. baptistbusman

    baptistbusman Well-Known Member

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    Bloomsdale, MO
    I know I check these forums a lot just to see if you have posted anything. Your very valuable. I have managed to score a copy of the George Jones set, and soon when County Sales restocks, I'll grab the Roy Acuff set, so I'm fine with getting the new sets. And the odd times I have gotten cd-r's or defective discs, Bear Family has always made it right for me. No grumblings here, except I really want a David Houston set. And the rest of Webb Pierce. And whatever you can dig up on Guy Clark. And Buck Owens live stuff.
     
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  21. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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    Norway
    In my CD box set :Texas rockabilly:

    There was a crack in one cd.I sent a picture to my supplier:
    http://www.cruisin.no/infoRecords/
    He sent this to Bear Family,about a week later i got my cd with other CDs from Bear Family.
    Always great service.:righton::tiphat:
     
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  22. Svein Arne

    Svein Arne Well-Known Member

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  23. Lucretius

    Lucretius Well-Known Member

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    Cypress, TX

    Richard Weize Archives seem pretty busy right now. I'm getting weekly Facebook updates with new releases. I guess this is where "the action" is moving. Highly specialist, vinyl only items like Frankie Miller demo tapes from 1954 instead of 27-CD box sets that nobody can afford.
     
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  24. Rhapsody In Red

    Rhapsody In Red Formerly Wrapped in Plastic

  25. Tribute

    Tribute Forum Resident

    I believe most comments, including my own, were very complimentary to your work and your designs. and virtually every comment showed a great appreciation for the work of all at Bear Family. It may be true that many are concerned about fewer opportunities to buy BF products, but that is not a criticism. Most understand that the entire CD industry is declining
     
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