Your favourite Bear Family releases

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by GodBlessTinyTim, Mar 3, 2015.

  1. Dave Garrett

    Dave Garrett Forum Resident

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    Might want to keep an eye on eBay as well if you're in the market for these. I got a new copy of the Texas Box there recently from rarewaves for about $15 less than the current Amazon price (and didn't have to pay sales tax as I would've with Amazon).

    If memory serves, these were selling for $200 +/- prior to being discounted.
     
  2. GodBlessTinyTim

    GodBlessTinyTim Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    More in the works, we've been told.
     
  3. Steve...O

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    These OOP boxes are aggregating. I was either too young or didn't have the money to buy these when they were first issued 20 years ago or more. Since a generation has passed since their release I would hope there would be enough demand from newer buyers to support an additional run of these titles.

    This assumes that Bear is financially able to afford an additional run.
     
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  4. Tribute

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    The used market will grow as collectors downsize, and that is starting to be more frequent. Prices will eventually go down, I believe, except on a few. The used market for physical sales will compete against new pressings, so new pressings will be reduced.
     
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  5. Postercowboy

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    What has happened at Bear Family is that Richard Weize, the founder and creative mastermind, retired and left the company a few years ago. Richard was single-handedly responsible for BF's creative output. To cut a long story short, his accounting partner used to give him an annual budget for new projects. They would make money with Johnny Cash, but they were fully aware that they would probably never manage to break even with the Uncle Dave Macon CD plus DVD box. Minimum run for these boxes was 1000 copies. Not much for Johnny Cash, but more than a challenge for Uncle Dave. Richard would never hesitate to do it anyway.
    That (and the incredible sound quality) is what makes Bear Family so amazing.
    With Richard gone, things have changed quite a bit over there.
     
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  6. Rick Bartlett

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    Yep! and not for the better. The next 10 or 20 years of BF may be a downwards spiral without
    Richard at the helm. It's disappointing, but so glad we still have those boxes just the same.
    A shame BF has turned into more of a distributor..... :cry:
     
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  7. Postercowboy

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    Pretty much everybody made the same statement regarding vinyl in the early 1990s.

    I don't say you're wrong, but in the field of collectibles, anyone who could safely predict where the market is going in 20 years from now could become a rich man. In the end, hoping for prices and/or demand to go up or down is always a gamble.

    In the early 1990s, lots and lots of people heavily invested in modern day comic books. For a few years, dealer prices went higher and higher. Eventually, when people were trying to sell, they were getting cents on the dollar.
     
  8. Rick Bartlett

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    a favourite BF release, man, this guy was dynamite!!
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  9. Tribute

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    Well the price of nearly all vinyl did collapse for over 20 years from 1990 to 2010, seriously collapse. And most used vinyl (even in good condition) is still nearly worthless (only select titles go for real money, over $5). We are seeing the same for CDs today. Used music dealers going to estate sales/garage sales or shop owners seeing used CD collections walk in the door have much less interest, either rejecting the lot altogether or offering rock bottom prices. They don't want them because they can't sell them for much at all.

    I think it is safe to predict a major drop in Bear Family CD boxset production over the next 10+ years (the drop has already been going on for over 5 years).

    A comparison to Bear Family is the Mosaic label, but Mosaics sets are truly limited. Out of print prices for many Mosaic Cd boxes has definitely been dropping. OOP Sets where used copies were once easily fetching over $50 per CD are now not hard to obtain at about $15 per CD and are common at $20 per CD.
     
  10. Postercowboy

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    I don't know about that. As in any other field of collectibles, about 95% of the existing material is junk. Always has been, always will be. In Berlin, ten years ago, you would find Fleetwood Mac - Rumors in every trash bin, you couldn't give the darn thing away. These days, even in average condition, this album actually sells for around €10 ($12).

    Not to speak of the high-end titles: According to the Discogs stats, they sold a British Led Zeppelin in June for $1792. Even five years ago, this price would've been entirely out of my imagination.
     
  11. Tribute

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    I would not say that the vast majority of things on record is "junk". Much of it is obscure, or not of much interest to a wide public, but it can be very good music.

    Just take classical vinyl. Mint, superb records of great artists will not sell even at $1 at garage sales. Drop the price to 10 cents and they still don't sell. I see it every week. It's not junk.
     
  12. Postercowboy

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    I partially agree. It's true, there's a lot of good music out there that does not get any recognition. Then again, back in my vinyl days, I listened to a lot of stuff from the $1 bins. I'm sorry to say, but most of it was pretty awful indeed.

    Classical music is different. With very few exceptions, classical music simply sounds a lot better from a digital medium. No wonder a lot of classical is being released on BR-A these days, the format clearly holds the most advantages for this genre. Especially in the silent parts, the actual silence of a CD can be so much nicer than the semi-silence of a vinyl disc.

    I don't know about other genres, but for classical I have a feeling BR-A is here to stay for quite another while.
     
  13. Tribute

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    Really, that is just what you picked out of the $1 bins yourself at that time. But, since the very beginning of the history of the phonograph record there have always been countless excellent (not awful) records at bargain prices, which covered the full range of music. If you had picked some of that good stuff then, you would not consider calling it awful today.
     
  14. Postercowboy

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    Back in the 80s, there were two different types of $1 bins: In the cut-out bins in the large record stores you could find amazing stuff. I bought lots of stuff, including early Einstürzende Neubauten and other experimental stuff for a few cents.

    I was actually thinking of the smaller second hand record shop bins. The owners of the shops I was frequenting at the time were all on top of their game, they really knew their inventory. So if they moved something to the $1 bin, they did that for a good reason. No 'hidden treasures' there. These guys hardly ever made a mistake. If something showed up they didn't know, they would actually listen to it to find out about it. Hell, there were no internet forums, no mobile phones, no nothing, so we all had a lot of time on our hands back then.
     
  15. Steve...O

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    You are more optimistic than I am in saying next 10 to 20 years of BF. Unless something changes I'd be surprised if they were still a viable operation in 5 years other than being a distributor of existing stock. To be clear, I really, really hope I'm wrong about that.
     
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  16. hotshotskings

    hotshotskings Active Member

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    Just ordered!

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Postercowboy

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    Then again, BF has such an extensive back catalog, if they could manage to keep that available, it should keep many (or most) of us busy for another 10 to 20 years... That's not going to happen either, I'm afraid.
     
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  18. Tribute

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    I'm like a shark that has to constantly eat. If I stop buying definitive box sets, I'm not sure what will happen to me.
     
  19. Rick Bartlett

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    just keep swimming.....just keep swimming.....
     
  20. Postercowboy

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    The way BF is going right now, you may find out sooner than you think...
     
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  21. Tribute

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    That's too hard, cause I only know the breast stroke.
     
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  22. hotshotskings

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    we miss you mychael :mudscrying:
     
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  24. boyfromnowhere

    boyfromnowhere Well-Known Member

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    missouri, usa
    I recently got a used copy of the "Classic Everly Brothers" set, after years of wanting it. Great stuff!

    I'm always worried when I buy Bear Family stuff after the issues I had with the Carter Family box. I was listening to it tonight and there's some digital noise going on on some tracks. I'm still super disappointed and wishing I didn't spend all that money on screwed up discs. But the sets I've bought since then (one was new--Jimmie Driftwood, and the other two were used) have been just fine, though.
     
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  25. Reader

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    I know exactly what you mean. It's like a roll of the dice, you never know what's going to happen. The very first BF box I bought, years ago, had one track at the end of a disc that wouldn't play. That was the first of too many problems. I still don't understand what the problem is and why it's not fixed. The recent Roy Acuff box dvd is the latest example. I've never had a problem with other releases from any other companies. I still want BF releases but this is a constant pain.
     
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