Zabriskie Point - Original Soundtrack on CD

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  1. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    I see many issues of this album on discogs. Please help me figure which issue is best.

    1. Are the bonus songs (on CD2) essential?

    2. Which issue has the best sound?

    I'm hoping to find an issue that gets me the bonus tracks and sounds great. Please post amazon links for clarity?

    Thanks! :wave:
     
  2. RonBaker

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    Yes...bonus tracks ARE essential. I only have one copy and it's on Rhino (I think)...or Turner Classics...hard to tell from the packaging. It's in a 3D wraparound. UPC is 081227246228
     
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  3. DreadPikathulhu

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    The only one I'm aware of is the Rhino 2CD. It came out ages ago and is excellent.
     
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  4. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks, I see another one on amazon from 2010. Hoping someone has compared enough of these so I can grab a good one.
     
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  6. DreadPikathulhu

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  7. RonBaker

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    Isn't the 2010 version just an import version of the Rhino disc? Hmmmm.
     
  8. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    If it is, I'd rather get it. I can get that one new for the used price of the older one.
     
  9. DreadPikathulhu

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    I think so. A lot of the Rhino soundtracks got moved to Sony budget after the demise of Rhino's soundtrack group. The Rhino's had really nice booklets, though.
     
  10. RonBaker

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    But does it have the 3D wraparound? LOL. I know it's not really major, but it's nice to have.
     
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  11. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    What exactly is 3D wraparound?
     
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  13. George P

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  14. Platterpus

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    I have the 1992 CD on Sony Music Special Products. It doesn't have the bonus tracks but the sound is great:

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  15. Chris Haley

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    This is a recent edition, 2CD's by Sony released in 2010 (still in print):
    http://www.amazon.com/Zabriskie-Point-OST/dp/B003647BPE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415772661&sr=8-1&keywords=zabriskie point soundtrack

    More information and images here:
    http://www.discogs.com/Various-Zabriskie-Point-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/release/2280008

    http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2280008

    The information from discogs suggests that this is an import version of the 1997 Rhino edition.
    For instance, here is some text from the backcover:

    "Zabriskie Point © 1970 Turner Entertainment Co.
    ℗ & © 1997 Turner Entertainment Co., under exclusive license to Sony Music Entertainment."

    "Package design © 1997 Turner Broadcasting System, Inc., A Time Warner Company."
     
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  16. pinkrudy

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    id search the internet for the complete zabriskie point sessions...
    those official ones are missing great stuff...

    personally i like one called "virtual zabriskie point album"
     
  17. PF on this much better than the new record which is More Muzaky but sounds great
     
  18. Rne

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    I got to that album because of the Pink Floyd tunes, and ended discovering John Fahey and Grateful Dead (a band I only knew by name). I owe a lot to that soundtrack!
     
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  19. carrolls

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    I have the 1997 two disc edition.
    I also have this Japan for Europe early CD version.

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  20. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    How does the sound compare on those?
     
  21. carrolls

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    To be perfectly honest, the early CBS does not sound that much different to disc 1 of the 2 disc set. Maybe a little quieter.
     
  22. mando_dan

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    Um, the expanded edition is a *must* for any Floyd though "370 Roman Yards - The Lost Zabriskie Point Album" is a much better very cohesive listen. Google it up...

    Here's the info that comes along with the album:

    Comments
    This is the soundtrack album for Zabriskie Point that never was; one performed entirely by Pink Floyd, now released by MQR. This album is the natural product of years and years of passionate research applied to the Zabriskie Point topic by WRomanus. Over the years many theories have been presented, and we all know a good researcher has to prove his theories whenever possible. In recent years his dedication has yielded the deserved prizes. "I had the luck to get from Glenn Povey what I call simply The Document, part of the ZP recording sheets of EMI studios. I was also able to make contact with Don Hall, the Music Adviser of the movie. I'm honoured to say that this contact became a real friendship. With my great satisfaction almost all my theories, even the most incredible, were confirmed."

    This Album is part of the Complete Zabriskie Point Collection and The Box called A Total Zabriskie Point of View. We share it in advance to highlight this very important find of Pink Floyd's career.

    1. Heart Beat, Pig Meat - 3:10
    2. Country Song - 4:40
    3. Fingal's Cave - 1:54
    4. Crumbling Land - 5:55
    5. Alan's Blues - 5:44
    6. Oenone - 6:51
    7. Rain in the Country - 6:53
    8. Come in Number 51, Your Time Is Up - 5:02

    Note it makes in Total 40:09 (enclosed some blank seconds in between the songs).
    The Original Soundtrack by MGM is 36:29 + 2:52 Rolling Stones = 39:21 minutes (no considering Roy Orbison at all)

    The History
    In the summer of 1969 Michelangelo Antonioni completed the filming of his visionary and prophetic view of America and our society. All that was left was to complete the movie with a good Soundtrack. Antonioni was interested in everything that was new and trendy among young people. Don Hall was on the air during his nocturnal DJ programme on KPCC FM Pasadena when he was contacted personally by Antonioni at the end of the summer of 1969. Antonioni really liked Don and invited him to have some screenings of the movie. After that Don provided a list of songs he felt would work, most coming from his programme. Antonioni asked MGM to hire Don as Music Advisor for the soundtrack and came back to Rome (Don still has a letter from Antonioni, sent from Rome with the list of the songs he'd like to be in the movie, all songs for the radio-desert sequences).

    Still they had to find how to score all the main sequences: Beginning, Violent, Take Off, Love and Explosions sequences (and eventually more).
    Antonioni wanted original music for those sequences. Many artists and bands were contacted to write original music for the movie, but none of them was asked to write the whole soundtrack of the movie. In October 1969 Don was in Rome with Antonioni trying to find a way to score the whole movie in time for Christmas. Near the end of the month it happened that Clare Peploe (co-writer of the movie and Antonioni's girlfriend at the time) brought to Rome a brand new copy of the new Pink Floyd album, Ummagumma, from London. Antonioni, Don Hall and Clare listened to the new album with a small stereo at Antonioni's house in Rome. Antonioni really liked Ummagumma and to the whole album listened several times. He liked Careful With That Axe, Eugene very much and told Don that he'd like a new version for the final sequence of Zabriskie Point.

    They decided to try and hire Pink Floyd to record all the original music they needed for the movie. MGM contacted Pink Floyd. After that Steve O'Rourke came to Rome alone during the first days of November 1969 to check and organise it all. All was done in few days, and Pink Floyd came he 15th of November with Pete Watts and Alan Stiles, cancelling some shows planned for their present tour. Antonioni and Don showed the movie to them several times with some scenes already scored, highlighting those without. At that point Steve and Roger Waters had a talk and asked Antonioni to try to score the whole movie. He, been enthusiastic about Ummagumma, agreed. Pink Floyd produced a large quantity of music, especially for the Love Scene, but Antonioni was not satisfied and the sessions ran longer than planned. In the end Pink Floyd went back to London with some songs to finish. Out of all the entire production of songs, including themes and variations, Antonioni ended up using only three songs. He kept on searching for "something better" till the last days before the premiere of the movie. In London Pink Floyd completed their final versions of these eight songs with the intent of them being their eventual Album for the Zabriskie Point Soundtrack.

    THE RECORD.
    What we at MQR present here is the closest thing possible to the album that would have been released by Pink Floyd in 1970 if they had been sole musicians on the soundtrack of the film. The mixes on this record are either the mixes made by Pink Floyd for release, or as close as we could make using the material available. We have restored and enhanced everything using the best technology and skills available to us. The quality of these tracks varies due to the sources used, but we have done our best to make it all sound as good as possible.

    The Sources
    Some songs used here were released officially, originally by MGM in 1970 and then in an extended edition by Rhino Records in 1997. Other songs come from two celebrated unofficial sources, the bootlegs Omayyad and A Journey Though Time and Space. Recently, a better transfer of the ZP outtakes portion was made from the master tape used for Omayyad just for this work, our 2010 Master.

    Titles and Songs
    If this album had really been released in 1970 it wouldn’t have a title any different than Soundtrack For The Film Zabriskie Point. A title is needed today to highlight this one from the multitude of collections released in the intervening years. This title is invented based on Roman Session and an assonance with the title of Omayyad. All the songs’ titles are real, although Country Song and Alan’s Blues were only working titles. We knew all the working titles with the find of The Document where all are listed. The three new titles, Fingal's Cave, Oenone and Rain in the Country, are taken from Omayyad, and for so many years were considered the fantasy titles of botleggers. Last year Don Hall confirmed that he aired those songs on KPPC FM Pasadena and announced them with just those names, as they were written on the tape boxes sent to him by Pink Floyd. Omayyad was made from a recording of that broadcasting.

    1. Heart Beat, Pig Meat
    This song is made up of the coming and going of Rick's Farfisa organ, Dave's excursions, recordings coming from televisions and talking lines by Don Hall, all over a heart beat like track created by tapping on a micro-phone. This is the first time Pink Floyd use a heart beat, but certainly not the last. It's the soundtrack for the opening sequence of the movie with the titles, and one of the three songs ultimately chosen by Antonioni. It was performed live sometime in early 1970 as the initial part of an experimental suite. The working title was Beginning Scene.

    2. Country Song
    With this song Pink Floyd meant to score some of the scenes in the desert with Daria driving her car as Don Hall confirmed. The song was adapted into several versions in different styles, all recorded with the intent of being used as Daria's Driving Theme. One of the two song for the movie with lyrics, which are in this case inspired by Alice in Wonderland, it came to us with its working title, probably because it was rejected before the end of the work.

    3. Fingal's Cave
    This name referred to Irish Mythology and a place in the Scottish isle of Staffa. This energetic song was written for the first Flying Scene of the movie together with two more songs. It is rare to hear a loud, bombastic blues number like this performed by Pink Floyd, and only a couple pieces on More come even close to it stylistically. The working title was Take Off.

    4. Crumbling Land
    This is the long studio version with all the traffic noises recorded by Nick Mason in the streets of Rome. Since the musical part is the same as the official one, a merge was made with the two. The result is a restored complete studio version. Having an unusual rhythm for a Pink Floyd song it's considered a country song, although in the end it's not. For the movie only 34 seconds were used, and those were from an early take, not from the final version. The title and some of the lyric content refer to Zabriskie Point (the place), to USA and the lyrics even include a reference to Michelangelo Antonioni. Its working title was Highway Song.

    5. Alan's Blues
    This song arrived to us with its strange working title, probably because, similar to Country Song, it was rejected before the end of the work. Although we have evidence that in December 1969 it was still intended to score a movie scene. Alan Stiles was a roadie, present in Rome for the sessions. When this was not released the band paid tribute to him with another number, Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast. The base for this song was an attempt to satisfy Antonioni with a Blues for the Love Scene. Once rejected for that, it was shortened to fit the roadhouse in the desert scene or perhaps another desert scene. This kind of blues was performed live many times over the next three years.

    6. Oenone
    The name refers to Greek Mythology, similar to Sisyphus recorded a few weeks before. Oenone was a nymph married to Paris of Troy. He left her for Helen of Sparta. Oenone was an isle as well, connected to the Sisyphus story (!). This song was surely written for the Love Scene, and Love Scene was likely a working title for it, as on the released tracks on the Rhino soundtrack. Pink Floyd tried four different musical styles to please Antonioni for that scene, including a blues. This is the style that worked the best, from Pink Floyd's point of view. It comes from several psychedelic approaches they tried under the direction of Antonioni. Great psychedelic performance by Rick and Dave, using techniques they experimented with live during Set The Controls, A Saucerful of Secrets and The Man & The Journey.

    7. Rain in the Country.
    Along with The Narrow Way Part 1, this song almost certainly has its roots in Baby Blue Shuffle in D Major, and in the second part you can clearly hear the germination of Atom Heart Mother (in fact The Amazing Pudding was performed only one month later...). Probably another of many approaches to Love Scene, Pink Floyd tried it for Antonioni coupled with desert scenes as well, as Don Hall confirmed. One of Gilmour's more interesting early compositions which really showcases his acoustic playing. We aren't certain of the origins for the title but likely designed to create contrast with the dry locations of the movie. The working title for this remains unknown. In fact a dissimilar mix was called Unknown Song on the 1997 Rhino Expanded Soundtrack.

    8. Come in Number 51, Your Time Is Up.
    The perfect song for the final sequence. This song is the reason Pink Floyd were called to score the important scenes of the movie by Antonioni, who was impressed by Ummagumma. It's a remake of Careful with that Axe, Eugene, but with some variatons. There is no whispered sentence before the shout, the shout itself bursts in together with the guitar solo, long and repeated. Dave's solo is absolutely vigorous and demoniac and the song reaches high levels of intensity. The end comes suddenly without the usual gradual slowing down. The title is referrs to the TV series "Q", a surreal comedy show in the vein of (and forerunner to) Monty Python's Flying Circus, and its creator, comic Steve Milligan, who spoke that line. The working title was Explosions, in reference to the scene that it was to be used for.
     
  23. George P

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    Thanks, that is good news.

    Now if someone can confirm that the 1997 and the 2010 are the same mastering, that would be great!
     
  24. elaterium

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    John Fahey's hysterical account of working on the soundtrack is well worth reading. He ended up decking Antonioni.
     
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  25. Mychael

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    You think so?
    :;-)
     
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