The Rush cd mastering thread (part 2)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by -Alan, Jul 5, 2012.

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  1. DiabloG

    DiabloG City Pop, Rock, and anything 80s til I die

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    I used to have the SHM, but I sold it along with the other ones I owned except for Signals. Then again, I never even got around to listening to the SHM :hide:, but there's a cheap AMCY on eBay that I'm probably going to purchase sometime this week.
     
  2. Ambassador

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    That may be a blessing in disguise - you'll avoid the stereo track shifted issue
     
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  3. DiabloG

    DiabloG City Pop, Rock, and anything 80s til I die

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    Add that to the cheaper price, then the AMCY is the best of both worlds... ;)
     
  4. Ben C.

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    Exactly why I went with the AMCY over the SHM on that one.
     
  5. TheJosh

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    MP is one of those albums that there's not really a bad CD mastering. Sure, you have the little nuances between each, but not enough to reach the point of wanting to remove it from your player and chuck it across the room in frustration (or out of a moving car, like my dad did in his early years with a certain Celtic Frost CD that shall remain nameless; his reasoning being he "didn't want another person to have to listen to that f***ing joke of a CD"...Digression over!)

    I still go to the ANC-1-1030 when I wanna listen to MP on CD, albeit mine comes with minor doctoring on Camera Eye to remove that irritating artifact (I cut out the glitch and used a part of the same section from the MFSL to fix it, in case you were wondering). That particular mastering just sounds so much smoother, natural, and relaxed compared to the others IMO. The 25.8P would be my #2 choice for CD though. I remember really liking that one a lot.
     
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  6. DiabloG

    DiabloG City Pop, Rock, and anything 80s til I die

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    Forget what I said above. I did an EQ comparison and it turns out that the Anthem, Epics, and 25.8P/35.8P, and AMCY/SHM of GUP are all the same. Sure, they're all level-shifted and the SHM has the channel offset issue, but all non-Mercury CD's are identical aside from that. Ignore that big drop from the SHM; it's showing the offset issue, but I forgot to update that part of the graph. :p

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  7. Ben C.

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    That's so weird; I hear a noticeable difference in the midrange between the 25.8p and AMCY, where the AMCY seems more warm and neutral overall and the 25.8p seems more pronounced and less natural. Maybe there are differences track-by-track?
     
  8. Ambassador

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    Interesting, did you do inverse phase tests to confirm? IIRC, the 25.8P at least has clipping that wouldn't show up in an EQ test.
     
  9. DiabloG

    DiabloG City Pop, Rock, and anything 80s til I die

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    For TBE, I only did an phase test for the between the Anthem and 25.8P. I left out the SHM for obvious reasons, but I assume that it would cancel out with the others via normalizing. The only problem is that I no longer own the SHM or the Anthem, just a rip of TBE from each one.
     
  10. DiabloG

    DiabloG City Pop, Rock, and anything 80s til I die

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    Has anyone ever seen this version of the Anthem 2112? The catalog number on the disc itself is ANBD 1004 and it doesn't seem to be a remaster. It's probably an early-to-mid 90's CD:

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  11. Dave

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    It's the last of the non-remastered Canadian CD pressing so you could be correct on the release time frame.
     
  12. ricks

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    Wow , much nicer booklet than the non-remastered US version. I like the sound on most of those Mercury Atomics but the booklets/front inserts were a total joke.
     
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  13. TheJosh

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    Yeah, it's definitely one of the later Anthem non-remastered reissues. I have two of them with the ANMD catalog # for GUP and PoW.
     
  14. DiabloG

    DiabloG City Pop, Rock, and anything 80s til I die

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    Do these have updated packaging as well, or do they have the same liners as the older Anthems?
     
  15. TheJosh

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    I don't have the original issues for comparison, unfortunately, but if I were to guess I'd say they are updated also. If I get a chance here in the next few days, I'll scan my booklets and tray liners and post them here for those of you who do have the original CDs (talking about GUP and PoW, to clarify).
     
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  16. Scope J

    Scope J Senior Member

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    Got an Anthem FBN in the post today !
     
  17. Holy Diver

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    How does it sound, and is it the same mastering as the other original CDs?
     
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  18. Ben C.

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  19. yesstiles

    yesstiles Senior Member

    If the booklet has the photos and lyrics, then it's gotta be a remaster right?
     
  20. S. P. Honeybunch

    S. P. Honeybunch Presidente de Kokomo, Endless Mikelovemoney

    Really surprised to see so much love for the Atomic 03 Moving Pictures CD here. It's anemic in the kick drum and bass guitar compared to the later silver face disc. Geddy's vocals are also too far in front with the bass rolled off on the 03. It's pretty easy to tell the difference, since there are usually only three or four instruments playing in the mix at one time.
     
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  21. Holy Diver

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    I like the MFSL the best for MP. It is the least bright of all I have heard.
     
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  22. 32XD Japan1

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    I have the extremely rare 1st WG "Green Arrow" pressing of MP. It may be the same mastering as the 02 Matrix of the standard WG Atomic. Anyway, it has the chopped off intro to Tom Sawyer, and I find it to be my preferred version. I fixed the error for a CD-R by pasting in a second of the intro from the 03 matrix. For the record, I find the EQ moves on the 03 matrix to be poor. Same with the MFSL. Here's how I would rate MP, as I have all of these and have compared: [Sorry I don't have the AMCY second Japan]

    1. West German Green Arrow [the very first pressing of MP]
    2. WG Atomic 02 Matrix
    3. Canadian Anthem
    4. WG Atomic 03 matrix
    5. MFSL
    6. Japan 25 8P
     
  23. DiabloG

    DiabloG City Pop, Rock, and anything 80s til I die

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    I thought that I was the only one to not care for the 03 Atomic too much. It's nice to see somebody who has a similar opinion as me for this disc. :) I think that the 03 Atomic would've turned out better if the treble was tamed down a bit and if more midrange was added.
    FWIW, the EQ of the 02 and 03 Atomics is the same according to this EQ graph I made. The only difference in sound quality between the 2 discs is that the 02 has lots of clipping and is approximately 2 dB louder than the 03.
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  24. S. P. Honeybunch

    S. P. Honeybunch Presidente de Kokomo, Endless Mikelovemoney

    Geddy's bass guitar has no growl and Neil's kick drums lack weight on the 03 Atomic due to a bass roll off. The reduced bass is the worst feature of the 03 Atomic. I would guess that it is due to the source being a LP production tape, which the truncated fade-in on tracks would lend credence to.
     
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