Sinatra / Reprise Sound Quality, artwork, etc.: "All Alone" - 1962

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  1. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

  2. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    Clips now posted: http://www.11fifty.com/Site_108/1962_-_All_Alone.html
     
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  3. rangerjohn

    rangerjohn Forum Resident

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    Thanks, Matt. It sounds very nice indeed. In your opinion, does it supplant the 1992 Herschberg-mastered CD as top choice?

    By the way, is the Herschberg mastering used on the suitcase tracks of AA? Bob will certainly know this.
     
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  4. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    I'm not sure that it's better than the CD, but it's certainly very good. I did play the entire LP last night, and it's very good sounding, with very quiet vinyl being a nice trait. The "S" sounds get a little sibilant-y in spots on side two only, which is a WW-3 cut. Side one is WW-2*, and does not have the sibilance issue, so I'd say that a WW-2 on both sides would probably be about as nice as this title has sounded on LP; just don't expect any sonic miracles with so many problems being "baked in" on this recording. :cry:

    (*"2" is scribed where a "1" also appears, so I'm not sure if "1" was scribed and then corrected to be a "2," or if "2" was scribed and then corrected to read "1." The "1" is much easier to read than the somewhat-fainter "2.")

    I'm not Bob, but here are his earlier comments regarding the apparent re-use of the same mastering for all CD editions:
     
  5. rangerjohn

    rangerjohn Forum Resident

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    Doing double duty, Matt! Thanks.

    And we've learned not to expect anything sterling from most of these early Reprise LPs. A real pity, as some many of them feature amazing arrangements and vocal performances. AA is most certainly one of them.
     
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  6. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    Have any of the individual tracks from All Alone been released on any compilations in remixed form?
     
  7. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    Offhand: "The Girl Next Door" is in the Ultimate Sinatra 4-CD box.
     
  8. rene.dussen

    rene.dussen New Member

    @ MLutthans. You're right about the sound quality on which you wrote about ... :righton:

    "Is this another AME (not NAB) equalized session tape? It sounds to me like some of the string passages, at least on the stereo CD, have that crrrrrrrrunch of AME in spots....

    I ran into this issue yesterday again controlling the sound quality of my radio station. Yes I knew about this release omission it but totally forgot about it and thought at first that I had an over modulation issue myself. It's on a couple of songs on this 'All Alone' album. It can be removed thought. Here my trial on this. First you'll the original and the then my cleaning of 'Indiscrete'

    http://gasradio.info/indiscrete_demo.mp3

    Regards,
    René
     
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  9. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    I ask this only out of sheer ignorance on my part: Are we sure that it's a remix, and not just a new transfer/mastering from the same stereo mix? On my just-now, first-ever listen, the Ultimate release sounds like the same mix.
     
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  10. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    Not sure. I just assumed. Will have to actually listen... :rolleyes:
     
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  11. rene.dussen

    rene.dussen New Member

    Hi Guys!
    Thank you for your compliments! :righton: No I didn't buy the ultimate box yet since there is just one alternate take on it. I am a longtime Sinatra collector, have a enough releases of this song and the All Alone album. But the edition under the link of my earlier message is 'my personal remastered edition' from the first US cd release, bought it back in 1992 from the late Gary Doctor. I'm sure this name rings a bell. I used Adobe Audition 2015 to do this and removed the low harsh sounds on the left and also removed some acoustal hiss. I also contacted Chuck Grenata about these over modulation issues, but due to his words, he's never has been involved with the capitol/Reprise releases or re-releases. Regards René:tiphat:
     
  12. McLover

    McLover Senior Member

    This sure is the original cassette release, roughly 1966-1967 era. Uncommon find.
     
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  13. DLant

    DLant The Upstate Gort Staff

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    Just ordered a mono LP of All Alone. Looking forward to hearing it in mono for the first time.
     
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  14. rangerjohn

    rangerjohn Forum Resident

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    I like it a lot. Not slam-dunk superior as some Reprise mono versions are over their stereo counterparts, but really nice.
     
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  15. DLant

    DLant The Upstate Gort Staff

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    I'm really looking forward to it. $8 isn't bad either.
     
  16. SBC

    SBC Forum Resident

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    The mono made me fall in love with the album, for what it's worth....
     
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  17. DLant

    DLant The Upstate Gort Staff

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    :righton:

    It is certainly an album that I don't play often, but would like to change that.
     
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  18. DLant

    DLant The Upstate Gort Staff

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    Absolutely stunning.

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  19. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    YUP! An overlooked gem in the catalogue. Maybe his Reprise equal (in lack of accolades) to Close to You.
     
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  20. DLant

    DLant The Upstate Gort Staff

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    Speaking of which, I'm playing a nice gray label copy of that now.
     
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  21. paulmock

    paulmock Forum Resident

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    ...and I am about to play All Alone!
     
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  22. SBC

    SBC Forum Resident

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    Did it win you over like it did for me? I'm happy you loved it!
     
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  23. CBackley

    CBackley Chairman of the Bored

    I just ordered a mono copy of this album on eBay. I'm excited to hear it. I already love the version I downloaded from iTunes.

    The soprano voice instantly reminded me of Star Trek. I'm glad to read that there's been some confusion over that singer.

    I still haven't heard "Come Waltz With Me."
     
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  24. rangerjohn

    rangerjohn Forum Resident

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    Enjoy! A very underrated album.
     
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  25. teag

    teag Forum Resident

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    Let us know how the mono sounds.

    Do you have Moonlight Sinatra? A must buy in mono or stereo! Both sound great to me.
     
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