I pulled out my old Columbia CD of Dylan's JOHN WESLEY HARDING just to be sure....

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Steve Hoffman, Aug 14, 2004.

  1. czeskleba

    czeskleba Senior Member

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    Unless I missed it, no one here has ever found a unique foreign mastering of a Dylan CD in the dozen or so comparison threads over the years. I don't recall anyone ever comparing a 28DP of JWH, but other 28DPs like Highway 61 and BoB have been found to contain the same mastering as the common US CD. Given that, I'd say it's extremely unlikely the 28DP of JWH has a unique mastering.
     
  2. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Here's the 28DP 1025 CBS/Sony. Perhaps someone with the USA Columbia can post theirs. I did compare the 28DP with a USA Columbia but I don't know if it was the same mastering as on Steve's. They could have been different.

    Track 1 62.9 %
    Track 2 79.2 %
    Track 3 89.7 %
    Track 4 78.0 %
    Track 5 80.0 %
    Track 6 78.4 %
    Track 7 74.5 %
    Track 8 75.9 %
    Track 9 64.5 %
    Track10 64.6 %
    Track11 64.5 %
    Track12 58.6 %
     
  3. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    Thanks, Dave. Could someone please post EAC peak levels for the original U.S. issue?

    (I'm assuming there is just one U.S. mastering before the official remaster.)
     
  4. Sneaky Pete

    Sneaky Pete Flat the 5 and That’s No Jive

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    A favorite of mine, I can easily hear the differences on my rig on the LP and CD.

    The original CD is definitely better than the remaster which is almost painful to sit through.
     
  5. Thesmellofvinyl

    Thesmellofvinyl Senior Member

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    My copy has DIDP 070097. Should that make any difference?
     
  6. czeskleba

    czeskleba Senior Member

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    Well, well, this is kind of peculiar. The US CD has these values:
    1 62.9 %
    2 79.2 %
    3 89.7 %
    4 78.0 %
    5 80.0 %
    6 78.4 %
    7 76.3 %
    8 77.7 %
    9 66.0 %
    10 66.1 %
    11 66.0 %
    12 60.0 %

    As you can see, the first six tracks have values identical to the 28DP, but the last six do not. However, those last six tracks each have a peak value that is 102% of the peak value of the corresponding track on the Japanese CD. This makes it almost certain that it this the same mastering, but that for some reason (error, perhaps?) the final six tracks were subjected to a uniform level shift downward on the Japanese CD.
     
  7. imarcq

    imarcq Men are from Mars, I'm from Bromley...

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    Time to resurrect an old thread!

    I've just been given an Australian Mono LP JWH from some retired friends (plus a few other vinyl goodies). I'm just cleaning it up now but the debris was mostly dust and mould. I have high hopes that it will sound good as the label looks quite nice with no spindle marks. I'm guessing that this might be a bit of a rarity - but I'm more interested in how it sounds. Was this true mono or a fold-down? Did they use US or UK metal? Or even Aussie (which seems unlikely at that time). Hmmmm.....

    It's on this listing towards the bottom. But not too much detail at all.
    http://www.searchingforagem.com/1960s/MonoLPs009.htm

    I already have the Sundazed LP and the latest Sony Mono Box LP pressings. It'll be interesting to compare them.
     
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  8. Rackmacko

    Rackmacko Active Member

    The remaster sounds like kids gone wild with a cheap graphic equalizer. They did nothing but punch stuff up to unmusical effect.
     
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  9. Lowgen

    Lowgen New Member

    >>IMO there is no doubt that the old cheapo Columbia CD kills the SACD in every way.

    I just compared them and I agree-- the old cd is a better listen.
    The SACD has an upper-middle boost that clearly went too far.
    Thanks for the tip.
     
  10. nikosvault

    nikosvault Forum Resident

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    Then the MFSL SACD must be quite futzed with.

    Because it certainly sounds different than the original CD.
     
  11. Evan L

    Evan L Beatologist

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    The original CD sounds wonderful!
     
  12. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host Thread Starter

    Someone just "liked" my first post in this thread. Thanks, I think this album is overdue in my player.. Still the best VERSION out there, sadly.
     
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  13. CDmp3

    CDmp3 Forum Resident

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    What is the drop out in All Along the Watchtower, Dylan moving away from the mic for a second?
     
  14. Flaming Torch

    Flaming Torch Forum Resident

    What do folks think of the original cd version of Nashville Skyline? I am all for keeping mine. I have all the more recent cd editions as I have for JWH. I never tire of hearing either album.
     
  15. nikosvault

    nikosvault Forum Resident

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    The Mofi is better than the old SACD. It's warm and very pleasing.

    Never heard the old CD.
     
  16. culabula

    culabula Unread author.

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    What about the mono version then that’s been issued since you began this thread? Especially the EU vinyl AAA pressing.
     
  17. Flaming Torch

    Flaming Torch Forum Resident

    Thanks. I have the recent MFSL of Nashville Skyline and yes to my wooden ears it is lovely. This album always sounds good to me however.
     
  18. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    Haven't heard the original CD. I almost bought it a month ago, but a search here indicated that the master tapes were not used until the SONY SACD, so I didn't buy it.

    I prefer the EQ of the SONY SACD to the MoFi SACD. To me, the Mofi has too much bass and not enough treble.
     
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  19. Robert C

    Robert C Forum Resident

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    This is precisely why old threads shouldn't be locked after 2 years.
     
  20. Maranatha5585

    Maranatha5585 BELLA + RIP In Memoriam

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    Thank you for the 'hot tip' Steve .. will do.
     
  21. seed_drill

    seed_drill Senior Member

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    I was lucky enough to get this on 7.5 ips R2R before the prices got crazy on classic rock reels.
     
  22. Flaming Torch

    Flaming Torch Forum Resident

    I have asked a friend about getting high resolution transfers of various great albums issued on Reel to Reel. I have a bunch of 1970s Bowie albums from R2R on dvd and USB. They are wonderful to listen to. I cannot afford to buy the actual reels and goodness knows how much a reel to reel player would cost. An enterprising music industry would sell high resolution downloads of R2Rs and first pressing needle drops on line (The estimable Mr Fripp has included needle drops in the various King Crimson boxes).
    Back to Dylan and JWH. SH has stated elsewhere in this thread (and he always seems to be right) that only JWH is really worth keeping/getting of the older Columbia/CBS cds. I think he is correct but I am no audiophile expert. The debut album on an early cd is worth keeping as is the MFSL stereo sacd (which has a wonderful sound if you ignore the whole vocals one speaker guitar the other thing) just for that quite ridiculous stereo mix.
     
  23. Flaming Torch

    Flaming Torch Forum Resident

    I accept what SH has said but wonder if someone could explain why union rules would prohibit fold downs? Nashville Skyline was issued in mono in the UK (I have 2) but I am assured by all the folk I know that the mono was a fold down of the stereo. I have no idea who did this or where it was folded.

    Bob Dylan Remastered - Bob Dylan ISIS Magazine

    Above is a link to Derek Barker's great overview of Bob on cd.
     
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  24. Radio

    Radio Forum Resident

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    Just got this today. A very pleasing listen. Thanks again for another great recommendation.
     
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  25. Steve Hoffman

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