A tip of the hat to the thread starter - button - I for one would still be in the dark about this subject, thanks for shedding a little light - cheers.
Very interesting "The RIAA filed the suit on behalf of A&M Records Inc, Arista Records, Inc., Atlantic Recording Corporation, the RCA Record Label, Capitol Records Inc., Elektra Entertainment Group, Geffen Records, Inc., Interscope Records, Island Records, Inc., LaFace Records, MCA Records, Inc., Mercury Records, Motown Record Company, L.P. Polydor Records, Qwest Records, Sire Records, Inc., Sony Music Entertainment Inc., Warner Bros. Records Inc., Universal Records, Inc., and Zomba Recording Corporation." So that raises the question - were the two Disque Americ Beatles discs being discussed in this thread made from genuine EMI digital masters?........
DA woulda have to have been dealing with the same people who dealt with CINRAM, at least for my disc of HELP!, so it's unlikely to be an illegal pressing, but anything's possible.
My CINRAM disc is older I think, but I picked it up second hand so I can't say. I have only one DA disc, Magical Mystery Tour, one CINRAM in HELP! and the rest are EMI mfg.
Rubber Soul/ Help What a great find....You are like detectives!! I am new to this forum.....my first post. I want to know when i look for these two CDS is this what i have to look for "Help" Must have the number C2 46439 and have DISQUE AMERIC on it "Rubber Soul" Must have the number C2 46440 and have DISQUE AMERIC on it Any other things to be sure that they are the ones with the original Mix? Chuck
I'm not if this has been mentioned before, but how is the sound on the DISQUE AMERIC CDs compared to the Capitol Albums Vol. 2 versions?
Exactly - are those titles in the complaint a matter for the public record? If so, any legal eagles out there know how to get the list?......
My EMI mastered copy is exactly the same on the back-panel including the ADD and the CD face so be cautious on buying sealed copies everyone.
On every pressing of "Tell Me What You See" to date, after the second time they sing "tell me what you see", and the drums come back in, there is also what sounds like a pop or a old vinyl scratch on the song as well. Evan
There were 3 samples posted online early in this thread. Based on those samples and what I've heard from the Capitol Albums box: The Capitol set has had additional signal processing - eq and compression - applied to it. They also flutter slightly more - as if there was imperfect playback between the original and one of the intermediate dubbing stages. Perfect playback of the master TJ had to use has the flutter embedded in it, in other words. The eq and compression of the DA Canadian cd is comparable to the UK vinyl releases. It sounds like a straight rip of the lp master. Therefore, if you like the brighter UK eq you will like the DA Canada cd. If you like a thicker, more midrangey sound you'll like the Capitol set. I plan to study these differences more later when I have a DA Canada cd in my hands, and a corrected Capitol set (which I have not seen in person yet)
Cinram is a Canadian outfit as well -- based in the east end of Toronto. Used to press a lot of vinyl for MCA Canada in the '80s, as I recall. They figured out fairly quickly that CDs were the way to go; then, when CDs started to flag, they were right in there with DVDs. Coulda made a pretty penny on the stock a few years ago.
The actual complaint was only against their Californian plant... the Canadian one doesn't seem to have been effected. The fact that the Beatles CDs pictured on this thread to date have IFPI SID codes on them makes me seriously doubt they were pirated (unless the pirates were incredibly stupid).
"Lizzie" or "Lizzy"? My UK copy says "Dizzy Miss Lizzy". Surely the artwork would be standard throughout the world, so why "Dizzy Miss Lizzie" on the original mix CDs? Could this actually be a clever counterfeit?
We don't know the story of how these Canadian plants ended up with these 2 original album mixes. Obviously, since they ARE different mixes, the fact that they are different MASTERINGS is redundant, even nonsensically obvious. But since the mastering process was different on those two discs, maybe it was different on ALL --or at least more-- of the Canadian Beatles' discs. I wonder if any of the other Canadian discs are different --earlier or later-- masterings of the "right" tapes, meaning the mixes used in the rest of the world. Or masterings made from different copies/generations of the tapes. That would be much harder to detect....but, as we usually do around here, comparing runnning times, peak levels, EQ, and synching might reveal something. Yes? For example, what's the DA C2 White Album like? Are the cues in the same odd places on a couple tracks?
That's between 1:47 and 1:49, right? On my DA copy, it sounds like that's been edited out. The left channel all but drops out. Easier to hear on headphones. I've posted a 4-second bite here: http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3P7UBQRBVD5NV0CVVWSD0WRV1S
All the MoFi product is from original mixes. Some of their eq was questionable, they would use fake stereo when mono was available (the MMT vinyl album had 3 such tracks), and some import pressings - the Canadian 'Beatlemania!' and the German 'Die Beatles' for starters - bested them. BUT all the MoFi product of the Beatles (not John Lennon solo) was produced before the flurry of remixing in the late '80's.
