I have two more that need to be added to the list: Mastering 3: MCA Japan for USA 1984 MCAD-37214 DIDX 55 (no barcode) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-U7C23 Mastering 4: MCA US MCAD-37214(no DIDX anywhere on discs)/Matrix: MCAD37214 A51202Nb MFG BY UNI (the b is lower case)
Okay first of all sorry for my english. I got a copy manufactured in Japan MCA 37214 DIDX 55 Matrix: MCAD 37214 6e1 3 Track 1 Peak level 90.8 % Extraction speed 18.8 X Copy CRC 055DB205 Copy OK Track 2 Peak level 91.7 % Extraction speed 22.0 X Copy CRC C2677904 Copy OK Track 3 Peak level 90.6 % Extraction speed 25.2 X Copy CRC 4F53AE2F Copy OK Track 4 Peak level 88.7 % Extraction speed 27.3 X Copy CRC 62195E52 Copy OK Track 5 Peak level 96.3 % Extraction speed 28.9 X Copy CRC F522F4DF Copy OK Track 6 Peak level 86.2 % Extraction speed 30.6 X Copy CRC 084DD71D Copy OK Track 7 Peak level 97.6 % Extraction speed 32.1 X Copy CRC 02166E8C Copy OK No errors occurred End of status report DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR15 -0.83 dB -18.38 dB 5:10 -(Pista 01) DR14 -0.75 dB -18.51 dB 7:58 -(Pista 02) DR14 -0.85 dB -16.86 dB 7:37 -(Pista 03) DR12 -1.03 dB -15.78 dB 3:57 -(Pista 04) DR13 -0.32 dB -15.64 dB 5:35 -(Pista 05) DR15 -1.28 dB -18.48 dB 5:07 -(Pista 06) DR14 -0.21 dB -16.84 dB 4:34 -(Pista 07) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 7 Official DR value: DR14 Samplerate: 44100 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 16 Bitrate: 1411 kbps Codec: PCM I Found this on internet from a FLAC Aja download: Steve Hoffman Master Track 1 Filename E:\Steely Dan - Aja (\01 - Black Cow.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00 Peak level 90.8 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC F729874B Copy CRC F729874B Copy OK Track 2 Filename E:\Steely Dan - Aja (\02 - Aja.wav Peak level 91.7 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC ED2792C4 Copy CRC ED2792C4 Copy OK Track 3 Filename E:\Steely Dan - Aja (\03 - Deacon Blues.wav Peak level 90.6 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC B0A5D2BD Copy CRC B0A5D2BD Copy OK Track 4 Filename E:\Steely Dan - Aja (\04 - Peg.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:03.62 Peak level 88.7 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 8B218D7E Copy CRC 8B218D7E Copy OK Track 5 Filename E:\Steely Dan - Aja (\05 - Home At Last.wav Peak level 96.3 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC F995187C Copy CRC F995187C Copy OK Track 6 Filename E:\Steely Dan - Aja (\06 - I Got The News.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:01.86 Peak level 86.2 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 9F3709C1 Copy CRC 9F3709C1 Copy OK Track 7 Filename E:\Steely Dan - Aja (\07 - Josie.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:02.53 Peak level 97.6 % Track quality 99.8 % Test CRC ED929F45 Copy CRC ED929F45 Copy finished No errors occured End of status report DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR15 -0.83 dB -18.38 dB 5:10 -01 - Black Cow DR14 -0.75 dB -18.54 dB 7:58 -02 - Aja DR14 -0.85 dB -16.86 dB 7:37 -03 - Deacon Blues DR12 -1.03 dB -15.78 dB 3:57 -04 - Peg DR13 -0.32 dB -15.64 dB 5:35 -05 - Home At Last DR15 -1.28 dB -18.48 dB 5:07 -06 - I Got The News DR14 -0.21 dB -16.79 dB 4:32 -07 - Josie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 7 Official DR value: DR14 Samplerate: 44100 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 16 Bitrate: 786 kbps Codec: FLAC Steely Dan – Aja 1977, remastered by Steve Hoffman, MCA label, MCAD-37214 DIDY 55. Do I have the Hoffman version? Any Help? Thanx
Picked up a NM version of Aja and went to enter into my Discogs collection. I read through every page here and might of missed it? MCAD-37214 DIDX 55 (Only place printed is on last page of insert upper right of pic of Fagen shirtless and in sunglasses. Matrix Reads: MCAD-37214-1 1C xxx (3 small marks or numbers like 112) and MFD BY JVC. Back cover shows barcode 07674-17214-29 BUT vertically on upper right corner. Nothing on hub, nor any black lining-- just lettering for standard release. Combine all that and haven't come across any kind of match.
EAC peak values (or equivalent) would help us identify it further. (sorry about the terseness - I'm mobile in a bouncy car) Cheers, Paul
Here is what I found at my local thrift store for a buck. Aja MCAD-37214 on the disc tray insert (spine and back), also the tray insert has the 90s slant MCA logo (spine and back) The disc and the artwork fold out insert has the old MCA logo, catalog number is identical to the one on the tray insert. The disc inner says MFG by Universal. MCAD37214 0367308071. Any idea when this was release was done, and what mastering I have? I also find it strange that the MCA logos don't match on this CD release.
So - again - EAC peak values would really help us identify it. Ask here if you need help determining them. Cheers, Paul
Concerning Mastering 7, if I look at the DR database, the MCLD 19145 and the DMCL 1745 seem to be completely different masters" MCLD 1945, DR14 DMCL 1745, DR 12 Basically both versions are hard to find because they are not easily identified uniquely. The MCLD is also pressed by other plants than Nimbus, and it shares its EAN with a US Aja release. The DMCL shares its EAN with the 1999 EU remaster. Many sellers on eBay and Amazon can confirm the EAN, but I didn't find one that was willing to look at the disc itself. I've ordered 2 already that turned out to be the wrong ones, and I'm currently waiting for the third. Luckily used CDs are dirt cheap in the UK, so I can try a couple of times...
I can confirm that the MCA UK MCLD 19145 "Pressed by NIMBUS in England" CD with mastering 7 and matrix "A1388 DMCL 1745 : 1:0 IFPI L123" has DR 14: DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR15 -0.84 dB -18.38 dB 5:11 Aja (MCLD 19145 NIMBUS) - 01 - Black Cow DR14 -0.75 dB -18.54 dB 7:58 Aja (MCLD 19145 NIMBUS) - 02 - Aja DR14 -0.83 dB -16.83 dB 7:36 Aja (MCLD 19145 NIMBUS) - 03 - Deacon Blues DR12 -1.02 dB -15.78 dB 3:57 Aja (MCLD 19145 NIMBUS) - 04 - Peg DR13 -0.32 dB -15.64 dB 5:35 Aja (MCLD 19145 NIMBUS) - 05 - Home at Last DR15 -1.29 dB -18.44 dB 5:06 Aja (MCLD 19145 NIMBUS) - 06 - I Got The News DR14 -0.21 dB -16.79 dB 4:31 Aja (MCLD 19145 NIMBUS) - 07 - Josie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 7 Official DR value: DR14 I also checked my CD of mastering 6 (MCA Germany MCD 01745 DMCL 1745 / Matrix: SONOPRESS I-5627/MCD01745 A1), and it also has DR 14: DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR15 -0.84 dB -18.38 dB 5:12 Aja (MCD 01745 DMCL 1745) - 01 - Black Cow DR14 -0.75 dB -18.51 dB 7:58 Aja (MCD 01745 DMCL 1745) - 02 - Aja DR14 -0.83 dB -16.86 dB 7:37 Aja (MCD 01745 DMCL 1745) - 03 - Deacon Blues DR12 -1.02 dB -15.79 dB 3:57 Aja (MCD 01745 DMCL 1745) - 04 - Peg DR13 -0.32 dB -15.64 dB 5:35 Aja (MCD 01745 DMCL 1745) - 05 - Home At Last DR15 -1.29 dB -18.48 dB 5:07 Aja (MCD 01745 DMCL 1745) - 06 - I Got The News DR14 -0.21 dB -16.75 dB 4:30 Aja (MCD 01745 DMCL 1745) - 07 - Josie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 7 Official DR value: DR14
It's probably too late to answer your question, anyway for all who are interested: I just purchased a Nimbus MCLD 19145 made in UK, it is moderately scarce but the good thing is that, unlike other pressings, it's identifiable via the unique barcode: 0 08811 91452 3. The matrix of the disc I got is "DMCL 1745 : 1 : 4". EAC peak levels are: 90.7/91.7/90.8/88.9/96.3/86.1/97.5 (so it's actually mastering #7) DR values: Code: DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR15 -0.84 dB -18.38 dB 5:11 01-Black Cow DR14 -0.75 dB -18.54 dB 7:58 02-Aja DR14 -0.83 dB -16.83 dB 7:36 03-Deacon Blues DR12 -1.02 dB -15.79 dB 3:57 04-Peg DR13 -0.32 dB -15.64 dB 5:35 05-Home at Last DR15 -1.29 dB -18.44 dB 5:06 06-I Got The News DR14 -0.21 dB -16.79 dB 4:31 07-Josie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 7 Official DR value: DR14 Hope all this helps.
I have the UK Nimbus of Countdown To Esctasy..If i'm not mistaken Nimbus releases are normally the original master but with slightly adjusted levels (Normally a touch quieter)
I have the same with a 1:2 at the end of the matrix instead of 1:4. It has no IFPI so definitely pre-1993. I’ve also got the very early J for US 21A1. They both sound really good yet slightly different, I’ve not been able to form an opinion as to which I prefer!
Sorry, I forgot to report I found one too. I do have the “DMCL 1745 : 1 : 0” and it sounds very nice. Mine also has an ifpi code. Please note that Discogs says the same barcode was also used by a Universal UK pressing. And I don’t know if Universal used the same mastering.
According to Wikipedia, in 1996 "MCA Music Entertainment Group, was renamed Universal Music Group". So my undestanding is that the Universal UK pressing is a late MCA UK pressing. I guess the mastering is the same but would not swear to it. I think the discogs listing Steely Dan - Aja should be split and the Universal pressing belongs here: Steely Dan - Aja
I think there's to little info in the second entry to be sure about making this split. When I saw them, my first thought was to combine them. Still, if the Nimbus version and the Universal version have different masterings, that would definitely be a reason to split them up. But we here are probably the only people really caring.
As i said before the Nimbus is usually the original master,but slightly level adjusted.As such the peak levels looks a bit different to the original. But its essentially the same master.
EAC from my 19145 - MCLD 19145 01 &" Exact Audio Copy V1.0 beta 3 from 29. August 2011 EAC extraction logfile from 28. November 2017, 20:05 Steely Dan / Aja Used drive : ASUS BC-12D2HT Adapter: 0 ID: 0 Read mode : Burst Read offset correction : 6 Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000 Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track Used output format : Internal WAV Routines Sample format : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo TOC of the extracted CD Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector --------------------------------------------------------- 1 | 0:00.00 | 5:11.27 | 0 | 23351 2 | 5:11.27 | 7:58.15 | 23352 | 59216 3 | 13:09.42 | 7:36.20 | 59217 | 93436 4 | 20:45.62 | 3:56.53 | 93437 | 111189 5 | 24:42.40 | 5:34.55 | 111190 | 136294 6 | 30:17.20 | 5:06.17 | 136295 | 159261 7 | 35:23.37 | 4:30.40 | 159262 | 179551 Track 1 Filename D:\Exposure 1\01 Black Cow.wav Peak level 90.7 % Extraction speed 16.4 X Test CRC ECAA774E Copy CRC ECAA774E Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [2E5FD40B] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 2 Filename D:\Exposure 1\02 Aja.wav Peak level 91.7 % Extraction speed 19.3 X Test CRC A6F8F30B Copy CRC A6F8F30B Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [3996F811] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 3 Filename D:\Exposure 1\03 Deacon Blues.wav Peak level 90.8 % Extraction speed 22.2 X Test CRC C038446D Copy CRC C038446D Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [7E73072D] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 4 Filename D:\Exposure 1\04 Peg.wav Peak level 88.9 % Extraction speed 24.1 X Test CRC 1285D92C Copy CRC 1285D92C Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [F5F9B2C8] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 5 Filename D:\Exposure 1\05 Home at Last.wav Peak level 96.3 % Extraction speed 25.7 X Test CRC 0D119FBF Copy CRC 0D119FBF Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [8FD783D4] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 6 Filename D:\Exposure 1\06 I Got The News.wav Peak level 86.1 % Extraction speed 27.2 X Test CRC BE4A4513 Copy CRC BE4A4513 Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [692EAFFE] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 7 Filename D:\Exposure 1\07 Josie.wav Peak level 97.5 % Extraction speed 28.5 X Test CRC F75E0AD9 Copy CRC F75E0AD9 Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [9CE568F9] (AR v2) Copy OK All tracks accurately ripped No errors occurred End of status report Exact Audio Copy V1.0 beta 3 from 29. August 2011 EAC extraction logfile from 28. November 2017, 20:06 Steely Dan / Aja Used drive : ASUS BC-12D2HT Adapter: 0 ID: 0 Read mode : Burst Read offset correction : 6 Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000 Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track Used output format : Internal WAV Routines Sample format : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo TOC of the extracted CD Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector --------------------------------------------------------- 1 | 0:00.00 | 5:11.27 | 0 | 23351 2 | 5:11.27 | 7:58.15 | 23352 | 59216 3 | 13:09.42 | 7:36.20 | 59217 | 93436 4 | 20:45.62 | 3:56.53 | 93437 | 111189 5 | 24:42.40 | 5:34.55 | 111190 | 136294 6 | 30:17.20 | 5:06.17 | 136295 | 159261 7 | 35:23.37 | 4:30.40 | 159262 | 179551 Track 1 Filename D:\Exposure 1\01 Black Cow.wav Peak level 90.7 % Extraction speed 16.4 X Test CRC ECAA774E Copy CRC ECAA774E Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [2E5FD40B] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 2 Filename D:\Exposure 1\02 Aja.wav Peak level 91.7 % Extraction speed 19.3 X Test CRC A6F8F30B Copy CRC A6F8F30B Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [3996F811] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 3 Filename D:\Exposure 1\03 Deacon Blues.wav Peak level 90.8 % Extraction speed 22.2 X Test CRC C038446D Copy CRC C038446D Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [7E73072D] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 4 Filename D:\Exposure 1\04 Peg.wav Peak level 88.9 % Extraction speed 24.1 X Test CRC 1285D92C Copy CRC 1285D92C Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [F5F9B2C8] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 5 Filename D:\Exposure 1\05 Home at Last.wav Peak level 96.3 % Extraction speed 25.7 X Test CRC 0D119FBF Copy CRC 0D119FBF Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [8FD783D4] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 6 Filename D:\Exposure 1\06 I Got The News.wav Peak level 86.1 % Extraction speed 27.2 X Test CRC BE4A4513 Copy CRC BE4A4513 Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [692EAFFE] (AR v2) Copy OK Track 7 Filename D:\Exposure 1\07 Josie.wav Peak level 97.5 % Extraction speed 28.5 X Test CRC F75E0AD9 Copy CRC F75E0AD9 Accurately ripped (confidence 9) [9CE568F9] (AR v2) Copy OK All tracks accurately ripped No errors occurred
I have used this thread for a long time to help me acquire Masterings 3 and 6 (thank you!). I have one of #6 and three variations of #3, and I am convinced that the CSR I have, a #3, with matrix DIDX-55 21 and “CSR Compact Disc” around the hub is not the same as the other two #3’s even with the same peak levels. I have the following: #3 1. MCA Japan for US CSR DIDX-55 21 2. MCA Japan for US JVC MCAD – 37214 - T5 E2 1 3. MCA US DADC DIDX-000055 4 #6 - MCA Germany MCD 01745 DMCL 1745 SONOPRESS I-5627/MCD01745 A1 I’ve listened to them over and over at different times as I have acquired the different copies. Comparing “Peg”, the CSR sounds very different from the other #3’s in two ways I’ve noticed most: the bass and the lead vocal position. On the CSR the bass sounds very natural but just a tad less deep than #6, and the lead vocal is more upfront just like #6. On the other two #3’s the lead vocal is further back and the bass seems tighter as if compressed. They sound the same. I compared these to “Peg” on my copy of “A Decade of Steely Dan”, and it sounds very similar to 2 and 3 of #3 in terms of the bass and lead vocal position. I love the CSR because of the natural sounding bass, which is even more noticeable on “Josie”. #6 seems to be a slightly tweaked version of the CSR but more natural than the other two #3’s. The bass doesn’t sound compressed like it does on the other two #3’s. Whatever mastering is what, I’m grateful to the forum for keeping me looking rather than unknowingly settling for a version I like less. I just wanted to post my results.
David Lowe, can you check if your "MCA Japan for US CSR DIDX-55 21" has the same peak values, but different mastering than your "MCA Japan for US JVC MCAD – 37214 - T5 E2 1"? I would also be interested in samples, say first minute of track 1 of both CDs.
They do have the same peak values using EAC. What is the best tool for extracting the samples and where should I post them?
