Un-Grateful Thread - What Are You Listening to Instead of the Dead?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Tom H, Sep 24, 2014.

  1. adamos

    adamos Forum Resident

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    I like it and think it works well as a live compilation for that era.
     
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  2. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    Electric Byrd

    Donald Byrd
     
  3. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Kinks Everybody's in Showbiz
     
  4. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    Good idea!
    I'm listening to it right now.
     
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  5. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    Incendiary live gospel-rock. Essential.

    Get it.
     
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  6. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    I must be honest that I'm not big on modern remixes of classic music. Sure, they can correct "mistakes" and present a more balanced, modern sound, but it's not what the band approved to put out to the public when it was new music. "Long, Long, Long" is supposed to be super quiet and subtle after the cacophony of "Helter Skelter". That's kind of the point. Even though it's the same mix, I didn't like the fact that the limiting/normalisation on the 2009 remaster made Long, Long, Long noticeably louder. It's supposed to be super quiet. Ringo's tom and snare hits are intended to blast out super loud out of the low volume of the singing, organ, and guitar.

    Just one man's opinion and YMMV, of course.
     
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  7. Acoustic Warrior

    Acoustic Warrior I Come From The Water

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    Genesis-Foxtrot
     
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  8. Tom H

    Tom H Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Sonic Youth at CBGB, New York, 12-13-88

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  9. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    For context, I consider Dylan to be among the most important musicians ever. The musicians on Trouble No More are fantastic; the bands are literally on fire at times. That said, Bob's voice is as terrible as it ever got during this period; drink some prune juice for crying out loud! The pontificating tone, hopelessly tired message and relatively weak material results in a dysfunctional doorstop to my ears (the two versions of Gotta Serve Somebody do redeem the set somewhat).

    When Dylan is restless and/or annoyed, he can't be beat. When he's complacent, no thanks.
     
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  10. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    Damon Albarn - Everyday Robots
    Parlophone 2014

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  11. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    Going slowly, listening over and over again.
    Disc 2:
    • Three tries at "Simple Twist of Fate" with Eric Weissberg and Deliverance. Beautiful.
    • Blues time with "Call Letter Blues" and "Meet Me in the Morning" (including the definitive take of the latter) with Eric Weissberg and Deliverance (plus a steel guitar overdub by Buddy Cage). Groovy.
    • "Idiot Wind" and its evolution through a series of six takes (vocals, acoustic guitar and bass only). The lyrics are not exactly the ones in the album yet, but Bob is already sure where he's aiming at from the first time the red light's on. Trascendental.
    • Eight takes of "You Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go", all played with a Eric Weissberg and Deliverance. After these attempts, some of them really good, Dylan will keep on for the rest of the NY sessions accompanied by bass and keyboards only. Lovely.
    Not bad coming from only one of the six discs in the set.

    Edit: incidentally, in the notebook reproduced in the box set book, Bob spells "Rimbeau" instead of "Rimbaud".
     
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  12. Dahabenzapple

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    Spring Heel Jack Live

    Recorded on 1/22 & 1/25/2003

    With:

    Han Bennink: Drums
    William Parker: Bass
    Evan Parker: tenor saxophone
    Matthew Shipp: Fender Rhodes
    J. Spaceman: guitar

    Spring Heel Jack is Ashley Wales & John Coxon

    On Thirsty Ear

    2 Astounding wide ranging pieces totalling ~ 75 minutes.

    Watch out for Han Bennink on the beastly bass/drum duo that starts the 39 minute second track.
     
  13. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    Actually, Message In A Box is nicely mastered. It’s the go-to CD version.
     
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  14. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    A lot of people in this forum wouldn't agree with you, but I do. I love that box set.
     
  15. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    You may want to check on that. I’m fairly sure there is a thread on this where the consensus is Message In A Box. It’s normally mastered and therefore crankable.
     
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  16. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    I remember reading many posts saying that, even though the mastering was not bad, it wasn't too memorable either. Maybe I'm wrong.
    Anyway, my ears are more than satisfied with it!
     
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  17. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    Well, the box came out in ‘93 or so which is probably pre-loudness wars. Maybe it could be better if mastered again, but using the three generations of Led Zeppelin digital re-releases as an example, it’s probably not worth the effort. Some tunes might be better and others might be no better, or worse, than what was previously available.

    Message In A Box is not the complete recordings even though it says it is, so there is a re-release opportunity there. But the band is wearing a toe tag these days.
     
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  18. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    Message in a Box sounds good, but the original LPs beat it easily. However, for CD, it's pretty good. I've never heard the early CDs, but mid-80s AM+ CDs usually sound very, very good.
     
  19. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    I’m detecting a heavy vinyl bias here, and I’m not on that program.

    Have you heard the original CD of Ghost In The Machine? Again, it was mastered too low so the fact that AM+ CDs generally sound good is not a factor.
     
  20. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Cat Juggler

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    The AM+ ones are the ones I meant as the best digital. I hadn't realized there had been some earlier ones...
     
  21. adamos

    adamos Forum Resident

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    More King Crimson tonight.
     
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  22. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    I think the U.S. digital release history is the original A&M CDs in the early to mid 80s, the box set in ‘93, and then remasters of the individual albums sonetime later. But after the box I stopped paying close attention.

    I had a lot of the early A&M CDs because I started buying them in the 80s when they came out. Unfortunately those are long gone. Wah.

    When I said the original Ghost CD was mastered too low, I’m not really offering an opinion. At the time it came out music publications noted that it was way too low. Or at least one did because I remember reading it. The box brought it up to normal levels, which is one of the reasons I like it.
     
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  23. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Cat Juggler

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    I honestly have to say I haven't heard the whole Message box, but have a couple of the individual releases from the mastering done at that time, which I think is the same, and slightly prefer the earlier CDs I have, which I don't think include Ghost, so can't speak as much to that one particular. Anyway, the mid-90s mastering is far better than the later digipacks, which I stupidly traded many of my older CD copies in for at one point.
     
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  24. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    That’s right! I forgot all about the whole trade-in factor. I was still doing that just before I got to this forum. Now I’m into keep-ism.

    @notesofachord, my reply to you above is kind of snarky. Sorry, dude. I’m just not a vinyl guy, or a hi-rez dude. I’m basically Captain Redbook, with a few MFSLs and similar.
     
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  25. footlooseman

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