Listenin' to Jazz and Conversation

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Lonson, Sep 1, 2016.

  1. Beatnik_Daddyo'73

    Beatnik_Daddyo'73 Music Addiction Personified

    ...been on a real Blue Note bender since around Christmas. Picking up a nice selection of ‘80s McMaster transfers and Connoisseur series pressings.

    NP:

    Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers ‎– The Big Beat
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    Label:
    Blue Note ‎– CDP 7 46400 2
    Format:
    CD, Album, Reissue
    Country:
    US
    Released:
    1987
    Genre:
    Jazz
    Style:
    Hard Bop


     
  2. Tribute

    Tribute Senior Member

    Just like sitting at the piano stool gives you an entirely different piano sound than any recording, sitting within a string quartet is also a unique musical experience

    Chamber music was originally composed for the musicians in their parlors, in their homes. Not for the concert hall with an audience in rows of seats. Not for the church.
     
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  3. Dahabenzapple

    Dahabenzapple Forum Resident

    Location:
    Livingston NJ
    Peter Brotzmann Tentet: American Landscapes 1 & 2

    Full band from 2007 with it's first pass at music without charts

    Times are transposed on the 2 volumes / part 1 showing 52:44 while part 2 is showing 43:39 on the disc while the packaging is the opposite

    Both were recorded live in 2006 and released in 2007 on Okkadisk

    It took me years to enter this world of freely improvised music from this large ensemble. I loved the band when I first heard them and saw them live twice - to this day the best 2 concerts I’ve ever seen of any type of music ever.

    I was initially irritated when they dropped the written charts, Hamid Drake left and was replaced by Nilssen-Love. Still 2 powerhouse drummers and I now worship all of the recordings of the awe-inspiring Tentet where they just play off each other.

    Like nothing in this world. The later recordings are even better but this pair are worth hearing. The drums don’t come through like they would on the great 3 Nights in Oslo Box or on the last release Love, Walk, Sleep. Since they are no more, maybe we’ll get some more archival releases but I’m glad we have what we have.

    With:

    Ken Vandermark
    Mats Gustafsson
    Joe McPhee
    Johannes Bauer
    Per-Ake Holmlander
    Fred Lonberg-Holm
    Kent Kessler
    Michael Zerang
    Paal Nilsson-Love
     
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  4. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    Personally, I can't imagine anyone not being moved by Beethoven's String Quartet No. 15, that's just one of the most intensely emotionally moving piece of music in the Western canon, or the original string sextet version of Schoneberg's Transfigured Night (not a quartet, but the sound is similar), or Schubert's Death and the Maiden -- a lot of composers seem to have done some of their most nakedly emotional work in the format. For something completely different, I love contemporary, maybe @Kevin Davis would be intrigued by John Luther Adams' The Wind in High Places is an incredible string quartet exploiting natural harmonics and open strings that's been recorded beautifully by the Jack Quartet. I don't know if that would be @Kevin Davis' cup of tea, but you're right, the range of music written for the format is basically the range of music.
     
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  5. Kevin Davis

    Kevin Davis EQUIPMENT PROFILE INCOMPLETE

    Location:
    Illinois
    It wasn't meant to be a flip dismissal, and I never like to put hard limits on what I will and will not listen to (keep in mind this whole conversation snowballed from a minor sticking point on a record I really like), only an observation that seems to reflect a consistent trend in my tastes. I have certainly never actively sought out music of this variety in any detail, and am open to having my ears swayed (I'll check out some of the stuff you mentioned later tonight to see if my ears process it any differently), but I am being honest about my circumstantial experience.
     
  6. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    Beethoven's 15th is long, about 45 minutes in all, but the famous third movement, Holy song of thanksgiving of a convalescent to the Deity, which he wrote after think he was going to die from some kind of stomach infection or something, is just emotionally intense.
     
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  7. eeglug

    eeglug Senior Member

    Location:
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Just to add to what ATR said, Bartok String Quartet #4 is relatively short (20-25 min or so) and sounds like something Robert Fripp listened to very closely before composing some classic King Crimson works like Lark's Tongues 1 & 2 and other angular pieces in their catalog.

    Shostakovich String Quartet #8 is a particularly intense work even for a composer who doesn't shy away from revealing his inner torment in his music. The outburst of the 2nd movement will surely make an impact on you - I know it did for me!

    Other beautiful works worth spending time with are Debussy's lone String Quartet and Schubert's String Quintet in C (obviously not a quartet but close enough).
     
  8. Lonson

    Lonson I'm in the kitchen with the Tombstone Blues Thread Starter

    It's been released on cd in the US (1989) and in Japan and Europe. Discogs shows these releases. Grant Green - Talkin' About

    It was also released on cd in the Larry Young Mosaic set.
     
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  9. Kevin Davis

    Kevin Davis EQUIPMENT PROFILE INCOMPLETE

    Location:
    Illinois
    I've got the Beethoven and the Bartok queued up on the YouTubes for tonight's listening.
     
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  10. ATR

    ATR Senior Member

    Location:
    Baystate
    I didn't take it as being flip. I took it as not having listened to much chamber music and it could be that you just don't like the sound of a string ensemble. The recording that Oliver Lake did with Flux is excellent. I would recommend in general anything recorded by Arditti Quartet, they have an old recording on Gramavision with Beethoven's Grosse Fugue along with some more contemporary compositions. Arditti String Quartet* - Arditti A personal favorite of mine is the LasSalle Quartet selection of 20th century music here:Lutosławski* • Penderecki* • Cage* • Mayuzumi* - Lasalle Quartet - String Quartets . Ligeti also wrote two string quartets which appear on a disc with string duos, also played by Arditti, György Ligeti / Arditti String Quartet* - String Quartets And Duets , and the 'ultimate' in 20th century quartets are the Carters on Nonesuch Elliott Carter - The Composers Quartet - String Quartets Nos. 1 & 2 . With music that you're not sure is your thing I agree that youtube is the way to go. Have fun.
     
  11. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

    Location:
    United States
    Don’t forget the Debussy, Ravel, and Berg SQs! Also, I wouldn’t say that Bartók’s SQs are completely ‘based in folk music’ per se. I think that’s one of the influences behind them, but they were written in a modern musical language to be certain. Like, for example, it has been suggested that Bartók’s String Quartet No. 4 had been influenced by the Second Viennese School, which I do hear Schoenberg and co. in the writing. Janáček’s SQs are also quite different than Bartók’s. The language of Janáček, while rooted in Czech folk music (more specifically Moravian folk music), had Modernistic tendencies, but the lyricism of Romantic music is not too far away in the writing. Other composers who wrote some fantastic SQs besides the afore mentioned composers, IMHO: Shostakovich, Martinů, Ives, Prokofiev, Szymanowski, Weinberg, David Diamond, Britten, Kurtág, Schnittke, Malipiero, and Stravinsky (although he didn’t write much in the medium, but what he did write was awesome).
     
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  12. frightwigwam

    frightwigwam Talented Amateur

    Location:
    Oregon
    I hear a lot of reverb, particularly on the piano, and sometimes it does sound like the drums are down the hall, possibly in an echo chamber--but I get the sense that this was a deliberate experiment. Sound manipulation was big in 1967. Later the producer Alan Douglas would become infamous to Hendrix fans for messing with his tapes after Jimi died. In the early '70s he also produced The Last Poets, John McLaughlin, and the experimental Hooteroll? album for Jerry Garcia and Howard Wales; but, before working with LaRoca, he'd most recently produced the sessions for Eric Dolphy's Conversations and Iron Man. I think he might have been keen on trying some unusual treatments that would make the record sound more psychedelic or avant-garde.

    The echo really helps give Chick Corea's piano on "Bliss" an eerie, haunting quality. It even reminds me a bit of the Halloween score.
     
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  13. Dan Steele

    Dan Steele Senior Member

    Location:
    Chicago suburbs
    Good stuff Fright! It’s possible because the drums are so overtly echo-y. I like the song Sin Street best.
     
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  14. dminches

    dminches Forum Resident

    Location:
    Cherry Hill, NJ
    I saw this band in the Village in NYC in 1979. I think there were fewer than 200 people. One of the best concerts I ever saw.
     
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  15. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

    Location:
    United States
    Playing this album yet again:

    Pat Metheny with Charlie Haden & Billy Higgins: Rejoicing (Japan SHM-CD)

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  16. Marzz

    Marzz Forum Resident

    Location:
    Australia
    As posted on Organissimo Forum, R.I.P Joseph Jarman :shake:
     
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  17. jamo spingal

    jamo spingal Forum Resident

    Location:
    Europe
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    Only play this mint vinyl version very very occasionally, but as soon as I put it on it blows away all other versions. The detail compared to even the EMI master is staggering. Makes a classic album even more classic. Humbled.
     
  18. Stu02

    Stu02 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Canada
    Im not familiar with this one but Im a big Booker fan. How do you like it
     
  19. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

    Location:
    United States
    It was great! Really fantastic. The title track, in particular, had some mesmerizing moments, especially when Jaki Byard came in towards the end with his improvisation. This album is a bit difficult to track down, but if you can find one for a reasonable price, jump on it!
     
  20. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

    Location:
    United States
    Pat Metheny Group: Letter From Home (Nonesuch remaster)

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  21. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    Sad news. I'll have to spin Song For in his memory this weekend

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  22. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    I just got hipped to the Onyx Collective, don't know how I missed this profile in the NYT this summer: For Experimental Jazz Group Onyx Collective, the Only Rule Is ‘No Rules’ , never mind missing the buzz around NY, but I've been kind of out of it the last couple of years.

    Streaming Lower East Side Suite Part One this evening and loving it. Does the LES proud. Membership I guess is a real free floating collective, with a music and visual arts vibe. I'm going to have to see these guys perform.

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    Oh to be young again.

     
  23. sberger

    sberger Dream Baby Dream

    Major loss.
     
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  24. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

    Location:
    United States
    Bill Frisell: Unspeakable

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    Apparently, Frisell won a Grammy for this album (not that this in any way, shape, or form means it’s a good album), but it’s nice to see him get the recognition and, as it turns out, it’s a superb album. :righton:
     
  25. mwheelerk

    mwheelerk Sorry, I can't talk now, I'm listening to music...

    Location:
    Gilbert Arizona
    Though this will probably sound callous I don't really mean this to be but why would the childhood home of a musician be of any historical significance?
     

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