Biggest Band Drop-off After One Quits/Fired

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  1. StevenC

    StevenC SUEDE > Both Oasis AND Blur.

    that may be so, but there's nothing epic about "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" or "Division Bell". We all bought them. We all like them, but I think even just the slow song "The Final Cut" is better than anything on those other 2 albums...
     
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  2. StevenC

    StevenC SUEDE > Both Oasis AND Blur.

    Here's another sort of strange one. Morrissey solo had a songwriting partner and lead guitarist named Alain Whyte. Alain wrote most of the music for albums like "Your Arsenal" and "Vauxhall and I", his two best albums in my book. In 2004, Alain Whyte wrote the comeback album "You Are The Quarry" and then left. Morrissey enlisted a replacement named Jesse Tobias and things went way south. Amateurish music and low artistic quality. All albums have been a drop off since 2005. Really bad ones in there. I know the Moz diehards will say "He can't make a bad song!" - oh, yes he can!
     
  3. MortSahlFan

    MortSahlFan Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Pink Floyd is my favorite band ever, but I don't like AMLOR and TDB at all
     
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  4. classicrocker

    classicrocker Life is good!

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    Fair enough mace. I am a big fan of the Smokin album so maybe not fair of me to say there was a huge drop off immediately but I think their albums were spotty after that release with Marriott starting to drift into a more soul type phase with the backup singers. I just don't think the post Frampton material is as strong but as you said YMMV. I will say I do also love the KBFH 1973 San Fran Live release especially the slow bluesy Road Runner. My first concert ever was the Clem version of the band in 1972 and they could still bring it live.

     
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  5. RTurner

    RTurner Senior Member

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    Eleven pages and no one has mentioned
    Chicago after Cetera left.
     
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  6. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

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    to me, ultravox officially began when john foxx left.
    that's when they were in the peak commercial and critical success.

    so i can't agree with them dropping off. nobody remembers any hits from their
    first few albums. but 'vienna', the album and song will be a classic.

    later
    -1
     
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  7. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

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    yeah, that's a good point, after nick heyward left, they struggled with the next album,
    and the singles.

    although a lot of it sounded very similar to the first album.

    later
    -1
     
  8. johnny 99

    johnny 99 Down On Main Street

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    Not really. "Up", "Reveal", "Accelerate" and "Collapse Into Now" are up there with any of their other albums to me.
     
  9. johnny 99

    johnny 99 Down On Main Street

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    Yes it was. "Blood, Sweat & Tears" is a really good album. David Clayton Thomas had a fantastic voice back then.

    You need the 1st two albums of theirs to fully appreciate that band for what they were.
     
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  10. bvb1123

    bvb1123 Rock and Roll Martian

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    I agree that they still had some great songs in them. I think Up is their lost masterpiece. But I still think they lost a lot when Berry left.
     
  11. Zoot Marimba

    Zoot Marimba And I’m The Critic Of The Group

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    Jason quit
     
  12. johnny 99

    johnny 99 Down On Main Street

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    No way.
    "Share The Land" and "Rockin'" are 2 excellent albums. They were still really good right up to and including "Flavours".
     
  13. egebamyasi

    egebamyasi Forum Resident

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    Not that clear.
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  14. Zoot Marimba

    Zoot Marimba And I’m The Critic Of The Group

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    And it was better than Stormbringer.
     
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  15. Billy Infinity

    Billy Infinity Beloved aunt

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    Bingo.

    The closest thing to Alan Wilder’s presence for Depeche was having the incredible Tim Simenon as producer, who stayed for just one album and one single.
     
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  16. Zoot Marimba

    Zoot Marimba And I’m The Critic Of The Group

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    No
     
  17. Pierino

    Pierino Forum Resident

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    Sparks was never the same after Adrian Fisher left.
     
  18. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

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    so, if you're picking one member, you think it's mick macneil. because they still had
    a ton of success with the next 3 albums (two number 1's, and a number 2 in the UK)
    even after he left.

    i don't agree with derek forbes leaving making a big impact either.

    jim and charlie have managed pretty well, and had several lineup changes even
    before that. so no one person leaving impacted the band, it was just the style
    of music that they played.

    they disbanded in 1991, so that doesn't count, because they didn't haven an album afterwards.

    the heads was just a one off album with guest vocalists, so it was a different band.


    they had more success, and much larger appeal after he left. so how is that a drop off.
    they seemed to be pretty consistent in their releases.

    i personally don't like anything after black celebration even when he was there, but thats just because of the
    style of music, and not a band member leaving (although they have some decent
    singles here and there during that time).

    abc has just been martin fry for quite some time now. (and it was mostly him and mark white
    most of the time)

    flock of seagulls has been mike score for ages too. (granted not a duo)

    i do agree about curt smith leaving leading to a huge drop in quality, although there
    was still some good singles coming out.

    later
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  19. dbone828

    dbone828 Only Visiting This Planet

    I think Pink Floyd had bigger drops with the departures of Richard Wright (The Wall --> The Final Cut) and Roger Waters (left after The Final Cut) than they did with the departure of Syd Barrett. The departure of Syd Barrett meant the arrival of David Gilmour, and in my opinion, all of the best Pink Floyd albums were released in the '70s, when the lineup had Gilmour/Waters/Wright/Mason.
     
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  20. HitAndRun

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    Clearly you're allowed to think so. I think that AMLoR and TFC are similar in quality, but have quite different strong points. The songwriting is, on average, better on TFC. The production and performance better on AMLoR. The two albums show why Rog & Dave, as Rog himself said, made such a great team.
     
  21. HitAndRun

    HitAndRun Forum Resident

    As I pointed out in the post, PF were not just about songwriting. Arrangement and performance is a very major part of what they were about.
     
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  22. peskypesky

    peskypesky Forum Resident

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    i saw them around then. found it pretty disappointing. no fire.
     
  23. muddlehead

    muddlehead Forum Resident

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    I'm a big fan of Other Voices Doors album w/o Morrison and Be a Brother Big Brother album w/o Janis. Check 'em out if you haven't heard them.
     
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  24. peskypesky

    peskypesky Forum Resident

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    couldnt agree more
     
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  25. peskypesky

    peskypesky Forum Resident

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    Agreed.

    Gilmour is almost surely a more friendly fellow....while Waters seems an insufferable mix of egotism and misanthropy....but there's no doubt that Waters' songwriting genius is levels above Gilmour's.

    That being said, Waters' solo work is levels below his Pink Floyd work.
     
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