Netflix: The Irishman - Robert De Niro, Martin Scorsese, Al Pacino, Joe Pesci & Harvey Keitel.

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  1. unclefred

    unclefred Coastie with the Moastie

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    We enjoyed it And found the video work with the characters interesting, definitely nothing to complain about. The film tells a good story and didn't seem too long to me, sitting at home. I doubt I would rewatch it though as I have with some of Scorsese's other films.
    Sheeran claimed in his book that he killed Joey Gallo and so the movie depicts that, but the story as written at the time is interesting, as told here in the NYTimes article back then-
    Story of Joe Gallo's Murder: 5 in Colombo Gang Implicated

    Also in this blog-
    Crazy Joe Gallo Death: Did Frank Sheeran Really Kill Him? | Heavy.com
     
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  2. PhilBorder

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    I wonder if the 160 million bet is paying off for Netflix. Or I wonder if it will. Or the related question: should Scorcese have reconceptualized to a 130 mil 2.5 hour film funded by a studio (and an assortment of Chinese Bit Coin Hackers) that played in theaters?
     
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  3. Andersoncouncil

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    I know the trend is towards streaming, but I would love to see a DVD/Blu-Ray of this with a making of bonus documentary tracing the film's long road to completion, de-aging process of actors, historical analysis, etc...
     
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  4. Andersoncouncil

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    9/10. Not on par with goodfellas, but maybe slightly better than Casino.
     
  5. Wildest cat from montana

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    " ' C'est la vie ' say the old folks. It goes to show you never can tell ". Or something like that.
     
  6. Chrome_Head

    Chrome_Head Planetary Resident

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    Everyone keeps bringing up the $160 million budget, which, while not nothing, is like money found under the couch cushions for a behemoth like Netflix that rakes in billions a year, tax-free.
     
  7. Probably in a year or two. Roma is coming out on DVD after about 18 months.
     
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  8. Andersoncouncil

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    Agree with all of this, but I think Pacino is most deserving of the Oscar for his portrayal of Hoffa. He was very convincing as someone who could relate to Frank and Russell and their lifestyle, but knew how to be caring, family man. This was something Frank and Russell strived for but could not achieve.
     
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  9. Denim Chicken

    Denim Chicken Dayman, fighter of the Nightman

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    On my second viewing and I’m liking it better already. I will say though I cannot stand the de-aging. The first time it really took me outta the movie. The editing of the film needs some work, to keep up pacing and fix moments like with the grocery clerk (how was that kept in? Looks awful) and not thrilled with score overall. Still besides all that I think its a good film.
     
  10. Monosterio

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    How many other Scorsese pictures are in your all-time top 10?

    As much as I loved this picture, for me it’s still only Taxi Driver.
     
  11. Andersoncouncil

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    I think it was a great movie. 9/10. The only thing I thought suffered slightly was the attempts at humor in the dialogue. Goodfellas for example had some classic funny interplay (the Pesci "i'm a clown? I amuse you" scene, the late night dinner with Pesci's mom after they beat up Billy Batts,). I thought the humorous exchanges weren't really as good in The Irishman. For example, the attempts at humor ("which Tony, all Italians are named Tony") seemed forced.
     
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  12. Raging Bull. Best film of the 80s
     
  13. Andersoncouncil

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    wait...there is great music made after 1990 besides Paul McCartney?
     
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  14. Wildest cat from montana

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    I too watched it again and enjoyed it again. A few scenes drag in spots but...

    Speaking of the music, I noticed in the closing credits that the song ' Sally Go Round the Roses ' is used in the film. What scene is it ? Love that song but can't place it in the movie. Help!
     
  15. the pope ondine

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    hes in preproduction for Killers of the Flower Moon
    with two unknowns (Leo and Deniro lol)
     
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  16. Daryl M

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    I watched the film last night and enjoyed it immensely.

    a) the riffing between `Sally Buggs' and Jesse Plemons about the fish had me choking
    on the couch from laughing so hard
    b) the closing credits music from Derek Trucks, Robbie Robertson, et al. was a very
    pleasant surprise
     
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  17. Wildest cat from montana

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    Just your mentioning this scene reinforces my thought that this movie should have been a mini-series. Would have loved to see more development of both these characters and others as well.
     
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  18. GregM

    GregM The expanding man

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    Sounds like a bona fide theme park ride.
     
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  19. PhilBorder

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  20. jupiter8

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    A big "meh" from me- I think you can de-age an actor's face but not de-age them in real life- hence lots of 70-year-old guys sitting down and talking on the phone instead of whacking people and doing stuff. If it had lost an hour it would still be too long IMHO. The main character was kind of boring and I don't get all the attempts of having his daughter so central to the plot when she didn't even say anything. I did enjoy seeing "Lois" from "Goodfellas" as Hoffa's wife.
     
  21. mikeyt

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    A life of being part of a crime family cost him his actual family, and in the end left him with pretty much nothing.
     
  22. unclefred

    unclefred Coastie with the Moastie

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    I hear what you're saying but for me, she didn't have to say anything, what she was thinking was all over her face, thanks to some very nice editing. I do think that the dynamics and repercussions of their relationship was not expressed well from Franks view, which lessened the dramatic tension. I also noticed right off that even though Frank was de-aged, he still moved like an old man and looked a bit unconvincing beating up the Grocery guy.
     
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  23. jupiter8

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    That may be the point of it - if so, it's kind of trite, been done better and didn't take 3 1/2 hours to get there. I do think "Goodfellas" is a masterpiece and probably my favorite movie of all time- I found this to be kind of meandering and an inefficient film- did I really have to see him get in a car, get on a plane, get in another car, get back on a plane, get back in the first car, etc? In "Goodfellas" Scorsese did things in one line that advance the story more than any random 20 minutes in "The Irishman".
     
  24. mikeyt

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    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    To each their own. Goodfellas is much different, stylistically. It has a manic energy to match its story. The Irishman is more slow and deliberate, b/c that's the sort of story it is. Thematically it has a lot to do with reflection and how bad deeds can eat away at you over time, rather than literally destroy you in a moment's notice like in Goodfellas. I dug it. And I saw it in theaters, didn't even feel like three hours to me.
     
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  25. jupiter8

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    I watched it on Netflix so maybe my experience would have been better in a theater- I did want to like it but ultimately I found it underwhelming. A lot of the motivation of the characters seemed odd or out of character to me. I think the Hoffa story is ultimately not that interesting (it was telling that De Niro's character had the conversation with the nurse at the end who had no idea who Hoffa was- almost like Scorsese was using her as an audience surrogate for anyone under 50). Maybe it's because of my bias due to my geographical location but I swear the only reason the Hoffa story lasted so long was due to the urban legend that he was buried in the old Giants endzone.
     
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