Netflix: The Irishman - Robert De Niro, Martin Scorsese, Al Pacino, Joe Pesci & Harvey Keitel.

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  1. Joshua Tree

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    Hopefully Criterion will release it as a 4K BR as well.
     
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  2. Vidiot

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    It's a bunch of bullspit. Scorsese made specific decisions on how much to use skin defocusing, so it wasn't a question of making them softer (which is what this YouTube guy did), it was taking the edge off and making the actors look about 20-25 years younger so you could buy into them being 40 or whatever. If they took it too far, you wind up having a) plastic faces and b) less emotion in the actors, neither of which the director wanted.

    Here is an actual Netflix 13-minute behind-the-scenes documentary showing how the decisions were made on the de-aging process:

     
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  3. MikaelaArsenault

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    My mom and I didn't even bother to finish this.
     
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  4. ampmods

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    The movie could be about 45 minutes shorter if they cut all the scenes where somebody is chewing food.
     
  5. alexpop

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    In this modern world I’d imagine it comes across boring on the small screen. Looked great in the cinema.
     
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  6. alexpop

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    Should have ended after Al took the hit.
     
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  7. MikaelaArsenault

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    I agree.
     
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  8. rodrigosanche55

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    In this modern world I guess all of Bergman's cinema come across boring.. as well as Buñuel... Tarkovsky much more... Dreyer even more. Let's just watch **** 'cos it looks great on TV!!
     
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  9. The Hermit

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    Then you would lose the entire point of the piece... that last half-hour was what the entire film was all about; a tale of time, mortality, and the regret over life choices that come with that... that was my take on it anyway.
     
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  10. alexpop

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    Think that’s the general gist of it.
    My arthouse cinema days are over that was in the seventies/ eighties( not that I equate The Irishman arthouse). Different world back then, and I appreciated them for sure at the time.
     
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  11. Vidiot

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    Yeah, traditionally in filmmaking, "eating" scenes take up a lot of time.
     
  12. The Panda

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    You ain't alone. A multi screen art house theater in the city closed Sunday after 30-odd years. I made the annoying trip in to that place so many times to see great stuff on a screen. My wife caught the Shakespeare bug there seeing Branaugh's Hamlet. Sad day
     
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  13. GregM

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    Still haven't seen it. I was planning to watch this weekend, but it just didn't happen. I'm so unmotivated to see it. Twenty-30 years ago it would have been at the top of my list.
     
  14. 500Homeruns

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    Well, the good news is that 20-30 years from now if you change your mind you could watch it then.
     
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  15. TheDailyBuzzherd

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    Hmmm ... many of the comments here are not positive.
    I thought it was a really good film. It may not be fast paced
    enough for some, but history being told here. Well, best guess.
     
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  16. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    I’m so tired of people complaining about films being “slow paced”. Usually, those are the best films with great stories. Fast paced are usually action/summer films. Bad stories, bad dialogue & noisy to boot.
     
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  17. adm62

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    I dunno, Hamlet wasn't that bad ;)
     
  18. GregM

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    Good points, but I don't think it's the slower pace that people are complaining about. From what I understand it's the length of the film and the lack of tight editing. Casino is in my opinion one of Scorsese's most successful editing jobs and it still clocks in at ~180 minutes. But the camera moved around a lot and when it wasn't the stationary scenes were interesting and expertly postproduced.

    Still not sure what to do about Irishman. I'm not motivated to renew my Netflix just to see it, but not anxious to buy it unless I know I'll enjoy seeing it repeatedly. I was excited to see Criterion announce some Netflix titles (although Buster Scruggs in 4K would have really had me standing and cheering). I should just dedicate a few hours to seeing Irishman this weekend, but I've been saying that for a few months now and just not looking forward to it the way I was for Goodfellas and Casino, which I saw in the theater when they opened in the '90s.
     
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  19. The Panda

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    heh.
    Jack Lemmon sure was.
    Billy Crystal surprised me.
    IMO, Glen Close was the best Gertrude I've ever seen. She nailed it
     
  20. TheDailyBuzzherd

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    What would I do? See it again! Lots of ground to absorb.
     
  21. TheDailyBuzzherd

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    Exactly. This is not a monster movie, that genre generally has improve over time.
    This has a great story that should be told and seems one of the most accurate
    depictions, along with "Goodfellas", of what really goes down.

    Bummer: In a press junket, Scorsese says a movie as this can't be made under
    normal channels anymore. "That ship has sailed." Sad commentary. But we
    knew his opinion since he roasted Marvel® flicks.
     
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  22. Wildest cat from montana

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    [QUOTE="audiomixer, post: 23168695, Fast paced are usually action/summer films. Bad stories, bad dialogue & noisy to boot.[/QUOTE]
    Fast and the Furious franchise? For me unwatchable and headache inducing.
     
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  23. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    Fast and the Furious franchise? For me unwatchable and headache inducing.[/QUOTE]
    And friggin’ boring!
     
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  24. Wildest cat from montana

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    And friggin’ boring![/QUOTE]
    I was going to say that too but I didn't want to overdo it ! But now that you did , it's also childish , nonsensical , lacking in a coherent plot line and ' stars ' Vin Diesel.
     
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  25. BZync

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    I don't mean to sound dismissive but I have gotten to the point where I am disregarding the talk of the length of this film and, frankly, disregarding the opinion of those who haven't seen the film because of it's length. The length of a film is not an issue - only the quality of the film. Is the film capable of bearing it's length - whatever it's length?

    An example, I recently viewed the Joker film. It didn't resonate with me and I became restless. Upon completion I was left with the impression that the film was far too long. Amazon listed it at 2 hours and 1 minute. A very average length. But, to me, the quality of the film couldn't support it's running time. My daughter had seen the film previously so I asked her opinion. The first thing she said was that it was a little long. Hmmm. A film that only feels long but really isn't.

    I was fully engaged by The Irishman when I saw it in the theater and again when I saw it on Netflix. Yes, at 3 and a half hours it's a long film - but it didn't feel long to me. There weren't any stretches where I was bored or distracted.

    It's only too long if it doesn't hold your attention. If it does, then it is the length it needs to be.
     
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