The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    It's not that I don't like Franklin's Tower, but it suffers from the light switch effect found to more annoying consequences on Fire on the Mountain. I mean, Dark Star is not harmonically complex, but it is more harmonically nebulous, which is something I prefer.

    I can't cite a better Slipknot! than that from 2/26/77, but there are a few worthy contenders:
    • 12/31/76 - really spacy; almost not Slipknot!
    • 5/9/77 - very close to 2/26/77, but somewhat less Phil-centric
    • 5/22/77 - another one that's in the top shelf
    • 6/9/77 - more balanced and great.
    Some wild cards are 6/14/76 and for an '80s version, 4/9/83 is brief, but Jerry's hammering it. You'll like that one, I suspect.
     
  2. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Yeah I'll check that 83, never heard it. I have a place in my heart for 4/1/84.

    I know what you mean about FOTM, it kind of bores me these days (and it was never a favorite but for years I was sucked into the whole Scarlet>Fire trip, and liked it in that context when done well as a kind of energy release). FT is kind of similar and although I don't get bored with it as much, I can if I listen to it too much.
     
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  3. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    OK 1976-10-09...what a fantastic show, I am all a-bubble with enthusiasm. The return in to Slipknot! after drums>Samson is one of the best things I ever heard. And I get a little bored with NFA in 1976-1978 sometimes, but this one is right on the money.
     
  4. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Seems like a little bit of an oversell, but maybe I have to listen to the whole thing again and hear it in context
     
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  5. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    This is a Dick's Picks that's supposed to have speed issues, or so I recall reading in this forum. Today I picked my guitar to "sit in" on "Help On The Way" and I found no problems at all to play in tune with it. Is my guitar out of tune or is the tape speed of this show correct after all?
     
  6. Oliver

    Oliver Bourbon Infused

    I just tried playing along. Sounds fine. Key of F.
     
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  7. MikeP5877

    MikeP5877 V/VIII/MCMLXXVII

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    There is a little "Dark Star" in that post- "Samson" Slipknot!
     
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  8. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    Key of F minor. Sorry; I'm the harmonic police.

    More correctly, it uses an F dorian scale derived from the key of Eb Major. So, the i chord is F minor, but the scale is not F natural minor. It's F dorian.
     
  9. Oliver

    Oliver Bourbon Infused

    Lol
     
  10. Tigerpop

    Tigerpop Forum Resident

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    From my somewhat recent dabbles into 76 this seems more like a 77 show to me. Way more note perfect and more energy then the summer of 76. Remember that second set being very inspired.
     
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  11. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    No idea, it didn't sound like it was off in any noticeable way, although I wasn't thinking about it
     
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  12. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    What would you do if the chords that you knew were corrected, notated and renamed too?
    Who are the Harmony Police?
     
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  13. Tigerpop

    Tigerpop Forum Resident

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    What the hell made them play this 5/9/77 Bertha so butter like slow? They opened the second set like this. Love it. A nice change.

    Spent a lot of recent time in 73,74 and 78.
    This show is incredibly good.
     
  14. dsdu

    dsdu less serious minor pest

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    I knew it would just be a matter of time before we heard from the perfect pitch music theory nazis.:cop:
     
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  15. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    I remember someone posting about this one being a big ofender regarding speed issues. Personally, I've loved it for years and never noticed any strange, and that's why I decided to check it out with the guitar today.
    Incidentally, just like yesterday with the '73 Denver concert, I didn't pass the audition, but today it was not due to my guitar not being in tune, it was only my incompetence.
     
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  16. MikeP5877

    MikeP5877 V/VIII/MCMLXXVII

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    10/9/76 is safe at any speed
     
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  17. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    Listening to yet another Help>Slipknot>Franklin's. This time, 6/17/76, from the last Dave's Picks I bought (and that I had ignored until today, to be honest). I just love the aluminum tone coming from that Travis Bean.
     
  18. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    I believe that it was the member formerly named libertyc**s that most frequently opined about DiP33 being unlistenable due to speed issues. I have no idea WTF he was on about most of the time and his attitude was toxic and the antithesis of what this thread is about.

    So, there’s that.

    :thumbsup:
     
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  19. SJR

    SJR Big Boss Man

    Buffalo? That’s possibly my favourite Bertha. Love the groove on that one.

    Edit—I’ve said it before, a Top 3 1977 show from the first half of the year, IMO.
     
  20. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    [​IMG]

    :edthumbs:
     
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  21. MikeP5877

    MikeP5877 V/VIII/MCMLXXVII

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    I'll quote

     
  22. Tigerpop

    Tigerpop Forum Resident

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    Yeah I remember hearing this for the first time and thinking that this Bertha is unique.

    man they are dialed in 5/9/77
     
  23. SJR

    SJR Big Boss Man

    Oh, yeah :righton:
     
  24. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    More DaP 28: now it's time for Let It Grow>Drums>Let It Grow>Wharf Rat>Around And Around
     
  25. MikeP5877

    MikeP5877 V/VIII/MCMLXXVII

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    There was a brief period in my life when I seriously considered changing my name to MikeP5977.
     

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