Complete Chicago IV coming ("Chicago at Carnegie Hall")*

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  1. jmpatrick

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  2. Old Fred

    Old Fred Forum Resident

    I hope they offer a 3 CD or 4 CD option. :sweating:
     
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  3. Psychedelic Good Trip

    Psychedelic Good Trip Beautiful Psychedelic Colors Everywhere

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    Holy madness!! The motherload of the Carnegie Hall explosion concert 1971.

    :eek:

     
  4. jlf

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    Order here: https://store.rhino.com/chicago-at-carnegie-hall-complete.html




    Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees Chicago became the first non-classical group to perform six nights in a row at Carnegie Hall 50 years ago. Between April 5 and 10, 1971, the band played eight shows at the celebrated venue (including two matinees) and recorded every one of them. In October of that year, performance highlights were featured on the band’s first-ever live album, Chicago at Carnegie Hall. That quadruple-LP reached #3 on the Billboard 200, was certified platinum, and is still the band’s best-selling live album.

    To honor the 50th anniversary of Chicago’s historic concerts, the band will release all eight Carnegie Hall shows in their entirety for the first time in a new 16-CD deluxe boxed set. CHICAGO AT CARNEGIE HALL COMPLETE will be available on July 16th exclusively at Rhino.com

    Chicago founding member and trumpeter Lee Loughnane and engineer Tim Jessup spent nearly a year meticulously going through more than 40 concert tapes at Loughnane’s new studio in Arizona to remaster each concert. Their hard work paid off with eight fantastic-sounding shows.

    CHICAGO AT CARNEGIE HALL COMPLETE is presented in a white folio that’s embossed with the group’s trademark logo. The set beautifully commemorates the event through memorabilia that includes replicas of the three posters that accompanied the original vinyl release and images of the original concert program, tickets, and other memorabilia from the historic run. The collection also comes with a 28-page booklet illustrated with photos from the concerts, plus new liner notes with contributions by Loughnane; archivist Jeff Magid, writer/producer David Wild and comedy icon/Chicago fanatic Jimmy Pardo.

    When Chicago arrived in New York City in April 1971 to play eight shows at Carnegie Hall, the band was at the peak of its early experimental period and riding high on the success of the group’s third consecutive platinum album, Chicago III. For these historic shows, the band played a cross-section of hits from their first three studio albums, including “Beginnings,” “Questions 67 and 68,” “Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?” and “25 or 6 to 4.” The set also includes the previously unheard first songs from the first show, “Someday (August 29, 1968).”

    The performances showcase memorable contributions from every band member, including Terry Kath’s stellar guitar work, heartfelt vocals by Kath, Robert Lamm, and Peter Cetera, the vibrant horn work by Loughnane, James Pankow, and Walt Parazaider, as well as the jazz-influenced drumming of Danny Seraphine.

    Disc One

    First Show - First Set

    [62:43]


    1. Scott Muni Intro

    2. Someday (August 29, 1968)

    (James Pankow/Robert Lamm)

    3. Lonliness Is Just A Word

    (Robert Lamm)

    4. South California Purples

    (Robert Lamm)

    5. Beginnings

    (Robert Lamm)

    6. Lowdown

    (Peter Cetera/Danny Seraphine)

    7. Mother

    (Robert Lamm)

    8. DOES ANYBODY REALLY KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS? (FREE FORM INTRO)

    (Robert Lamm)

    9. DOES ANYBODY REALLY KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS?

    (Robert Lamm)


    Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon:

    10. Make Me Smile

    (James Pankow)

    11. So Much To Say, So Much To Give

    (James Pankow)

    12. Anxiety’s Moment

    (James Pankow)

    13. West Virginia Fantasies

    (James Pankow)

    14. Colour My World

    (James Pankow)

    15. To Be Free

    (James Pankow)

    16. Now More Than Ever

    (James Pankow)





    Disc Two

    First Show - Second Set

    [69:12]

    1. Return to Stage and Tuning



    It Better End Soon:

    2. 1st Movement

    (Robert Lamm)

    3. 2nd Movement

    (Walter Parazaider/Robert Lamm)

    4. 3rd Movement

    (Terry Kath/Robert Lamm)

    5. 4th Movement

    (Robert Lamm)

    6. 5th Movement

    (Robert Lamm)

    7. Fancy Colours

    (Robert Lamm)

    8. In The Country

    (Terry Kath)

    9. Where Do We Go From Here

    (Peter Cetera)

    10. A Song For Richard And His Friends

    (Robert Lamm)

    11. Sing A Mean Tune Kid

    (Robert Lamm)

    12. Flight 602

    (Robert Lamm)

    13. Motorboat To Mars

    (Danny Seraphine)

    14. Free

    (Robert Lamm)

    15. 25 Or 6 To 4

    (Robert Lamm)





    Disc Three

    Second Show - First Set

    [59:19]


    1. Band Introduction and Tuning

    2. Introduction

    (Terry Kath)

    3. Beginnings

    (Robert Lamm)

    4. Lowdown

    (Peter Cetera/Danny Seraphine)

    5. In The Country

    (Terry Kath)

    6. Where Do We Go From Here

    (Peter Cetera)

    7. Sing A Mean Tune Kid

    (Robert Lamm)




    Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon:

    8. Make Me Smile

    (James Pankow)

    9. So Much To Say, So Much To Give

    (James Pankow)

    10. Anxiety’s Moment

    (James Pankow)

    11. West Virginia Fantasies

    (James Pankow)

    12. Colour My World

    (James Pankow)

    13. To Be Free

    (James Pankow)

    14. Now More Than Ever

    (James Pankow)



    Disc Four

    Second Show - Second Set

    [76:04]


    1. Return to Stage and Tuning

    2. Fancy Colours

    (Robert Lamm)

    Elegy:

    3. Canon

    (James Pankow)

    4. Once Upon A Time…

    (James Pankow)

    5. The Approaching Storm

    (James Pankow)

    6. Man Vs. Man: The End

    (James Pankow)

    7. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? (Free Form Intro)

    (Robert Lamm)

    8. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?

    (Robert Lamm)


    It Better End Soon:

    9. 1st Movement

    (Robert Lamm)

    10. 2nd Movement (Flute Solo)

    (Walter Parazaider/Robert Lamm)

    11. 3rd Movement (Guitar Solo)

    (Terry Kath/Robert Lamm)

    12. 4th Movement (Preach)

    (Robert Lamm)

    13. 5th Movement

    (Robert Lamm)



    14. Loneliness Is Just A Word

    (Robert Lamm)

    15. A Song For Richard And His Friends

    (Robert Lamm)



    Travel Suite:

    16. Flight 602

    (Robert Lamm)

    17. Motorboat To Mars

    (Danny Seraphine)

    18. Free

    (Robert Lamm)

    19. 25 Or 6 To 4

    (Robert Lamm)





    Disc 5

    Third Show - First Set

    [53:31]


    1. Tuning and Introduction

    2. Listen

    (Robert Lamm)

    3. Mother

    (Robert Lamm)

    4. Lowdown

    (Peter Cetera/Danny Seraphine)

    5. Fancy Colours

    (Robert Lamm)

    6. Southern California Purples

    (Robert Lamm)

    7. Loneliness Is Just A Word

    (Robert Lamm)



    Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon:

    8. Make Me Smile

    (James Pankow)

    9. So Much To Say, So Much To Give

    (James Pankow)

    10. Anxiety’s Moment

    (James Pankow)

    11. West Virginia Fantasies

    (James Pankow)

    12. Colour My World

    (James Pankow)

    13. To Be Free

    (James Pankow)

    14. Now More Than Ever

    (James Pankow)



    Disc 6

    Third Show - Second Set

    [76:43]



    1. Return to stage

    2. Introduction

    (Terry Kath)

    3. Happy ‘Cause I’m Going Home

    (Robert Lamm)

    4. Beginnings

    (Robert Lamm)

    5. A Song For Richard And His Friends

    (Robert Lamm)

    6. I Don’t Want Your Money

    (Terry Kath/Robert Lamm)

    7. Where Do We Go From Here

    (Peter Cetera)

    8. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? (Free Form Intro)

    (Robert Lamm)

    9. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?

    (Robert Lamm)


    It Better End Soon:

    10. 1st Movement

    (Robert Lamm)

    11. 2nd Movement (Flute Solo)

    (Walter Parazaider/Robert Lamm)

    12. 3rd Movement (Guitar Solo)

    (Terry Kath/Robert Lamm)

    13. 4th Movement (Preach)

    (Robert Lamm)

    14. 5th Movement

    (Robert Lamm)



    15. Flight 602

    (Robert Lamm)

    16. Motorboat To Mars

    (Danny Seraphine)

    17. Free

    (Robert Lamm)

    18. 25 Or 6 To 4

    (Robert Lamm)





    Disc 7

    Fourth Show - First Set

    [55:19]


    1. Tuning and Introduction

    2. Loneliness Is Just A Word

    (Robert Lamm)

    3. Beginnings

    (Robert Lamm)

    4. Sing A Mean Tune Kid

    (Robert Lamm)

    5. Fancy Colours

    (Robert Lamm)

    6. Lowdown

    (Peter Cetera/Danny Seraphine)

    7. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? (Free Form Intro)

    (Robert Lamm)

    8. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?

    (Robert Lamm)



    Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon:

    9. Make Me Smile

    (James Pankow)

    10. So Much To Say, So Much To Give

    (James Pankow)

    11. Anxiety’s Moment

    (James Pankow)

    12. West Virginia Fantasies

    (James Pankow)

    13. Colour My World

    (James Pankow)

    14. To Be Free

    (James Pankow)

    15. Now More Than Ever

    (James Pankow)



    Disc 8

    Fourth Show - Second Set

    [64:44]



    1. Return to stage / Tuning



    It Better End Soon:

    2. 1st Movement

    (Robert Lamm)

    3. 2nd Movement (Flute Solo)

    (Walter Parazaider/Robert Lamm)

    4. 3rd Movement (Guitar Solo)

    (Terry Kath/Robert Lamm)

    5. 4th Movement (Preach)

    (Robert Lamm)

    6. 5th Movement

    (Robert Lamm)



    7. Happy ‘Cause I’m Going Home

    (Robert Lamm)

    8. Where Do We Go From Here

    (Peter Cetera)

    9. A Song For Richard And His Friends

    (Robert Lamm)

    10. I Don’t Want Your Money

    (Terry Kath/Robert Lamm)

    11. An Hour In The Shower

    (Terry Kath)

    12. Flight 602

    (Robert Lamm)

    13. Motorboat To Mars

    (Danny Seraphine)

    14. Free

    (Robert Lamm)

    15. 25 Or 6 To 4

    (Robert Lamm)





    Disc 9

    Fifth Show

    [47:01]

    1. Tuning and Introduction

    2. In The Country

    (Terry Kath)

    3. Fancy Colours

    (Robert Lamm)

    4. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? (Free Form Intro)

    (Robert Lamm)

    5. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?

    (Robert Lamm)

    6. Southern California Purples

    (Robert Lamm)

    7. Mother

    (Robert Lamm)





    Disc 10

    Fifth Show (continued)

    [48:58]

    1. Lowdown

    (Peter Cetera/Danny Seraphine)



    2. Flight 602

    (Robert Lamm)

    3. Motorboat To Mars

    (Danny Seraphine)

    4. Free

    (Robert Lamm)

    5. Where Do We Go From Here

    (Peter Cetera)



    Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon:

    6. Make Me Smile

    (James Pankow)

    7. So Much To Say, So Much To Give

    (James Pankow)

    8. Anxiety’s Moment

    (James Pankow)

    9. West Virginia Fantasies

    (James Pankow)

    10. Colour My World

    (James Pankow)

    11. To Be Free

    (James Pankow)

    12. Now More Than Ever

    (James Pankow)

    13. A Song For Richard And His Friends

    (Robert Lamm)

    14. 25 Or 6 To 4

    (Robert Lamm)



    Disc 11

    Sixth Show

    [40:41]

    1. Tuning and Introduction

    2. Introduction

    (Terry Kath)

    3. Fancy Colours

    (Robert Lamm)

    4. Introduction to Questions 67 & 68

    5. Questions 67 & 68

    (Robert Lamm)

    6. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? (Free Form Intro, 'Nasal Finger Tones')

    (Robert Lamm)

    7. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?

    (Robert Lamm)



    It Better End Soon:

    8. 1st Movement

    (Robert Lamm)

    [ISRC]

    9. 2nd Movement (Flute Solo)

    (Walter Parazaider/Robert Lamm)

    [ISRC]

    10. 3rd Movement (Guitar Solo)

    (Terry Kath/Robert Lamm)

    11. 4th Movement (Preach)

    (Robert Lamm)

    12. 5th Movement

    (Robert Lamm)



    Disc 12

    Sixth Show (continued)

    [51:01]

    1. Loneliness Is Just A Word

    (Robert Lamm)

    2. Sing A Mean Tune Kid

    (Robert Lamm)

    3. Beginnings

    (Robert Lamm)

    4. Where Do We Go From Here

    (Peter Cetera)



    Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon:

    5. Make Me Smile

    (James Pankow)

    6. So Much To Say, So Much To Give

    (James Pankow)

    7. Anxiety’s Moment

    (James Pankow)

    8. West Virginia Fantasies

    (James Pankow)

    9. Colour My World

    (James Pankow)

    10. To Be Free

    (James Pankow)

    11. Now More Than Ever

    (James Pankow)

    12. I’m A Man

    (Steve Winwood/James Miller)

    Seventh Show

    First Set

    [64:54]

    1. In The Country

    (Terry Kath)

    2. Fancy Colours

    (Robert Lamm)

    3. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? (Free Form Intro)

    (Robert Lamm)

    4. Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?

    (Robert Lamm)

    5. Southern California Purples

    (Robert Lamm)

    6. Mother
     
  5. ascot

    ascot Senior Member

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    Wisconsin
    This is great, looking forward to it.
     
  6. AudiophilePhil

    AudiophilePhil Senior Member

    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Thanks for sharing the info about one of the most authentic live albums of the rock-era. No overdubbing, no doctoring and just a series of six-day live performances recorded in the prestigious New York's Carnegie Hall (1971), the first non-classical artists to do so.
    I just wish the band learn the importance of taking their master tapes to the right people that could do justice to the music legacy of their classic years 1969-1977.
    What I mean by the term "right people" is hiring mastering/remixing engineers with golden ears such as our host, Kevin Gray, Ryan K. Smith, George Marino, Bernie Grundman, etc. They should have learned by now after receiving lots of bad criticisms about the ear-piercing sound of the 50th Anniversary remix of their great debut album "The Chicago Transit Authority" (1969).
    In contrast, the remix of their eponymous second album "Chicago" (1970) aka 'Chicago II' by Steven Wilson got lots of praises from both fans and critics alike.
     
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  7. tlake6659

    tlake6659 Senior Member

    Location:
    NJ
    I wonder how butchered Jessup is going to make this sound.
     
  8. bRETT

    bRETT Senior Member

    Location:
    Boston MA
    Big news to these ears is that "Elegy" was performed, and just once. Never knew it had been played live at all. There is a moment on the official album where you can hear someone yelling for "Approaching Storm"...wonder if it came from that night.
     
  9. Headfone

    Headfone Nothing Tops A Martin

    Regardless of how well or how poorly it's mixed and mastered, this is undoubtedly the only production we'll ever be offered of all 8 shows in their entirety. Therefore, as a big Chicago fan, I've gotta be in.
     
  10. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    Interesting release. For me, this was never an album I pulled off the shelf much. I'm much more of a studio album guy.
     
  11. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

    Location:
    Cambridge, MA
    Beyond a few songs changes, is there much change in HOW these songs were performed? Is there any real reason to want to hear the same song across multiple nights?
     
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  12. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    Kinda the way I feel...
     
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  13. arob71

    arob71 Capitol JAX

    16 discs + Tim Jessup =
    [​IMG]
     
  14. If I Can Dream_23

    If I Can Dream_23 Forum Resident

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    Wow! I'll definitely be adding this to the Chicago collection. :bdance:
     
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  15. Chest Pains Productions

    Chest Pains Productions Forum Resident

    Location:
    Philly
    Amazing!! Love that record. People crap on the sound quality but I think it sounds fine. It is of its time and place. Stop complaining about it!!!
     
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  16. bRETT

    bRETT Senior Member

    Location:
    Boston MA
    Obligatory gripe about the price-- but 180 bucks really is a lot when the packaging doesn't add much to reproductions of all the posters/book that were there in the first place.
     
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  17. Musical Chairs

    Musical Chairs Forum Resident

    I'd be happy with just a quality vinyl pressing of the orginal 4-LP set.
     
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  18. dance_hall_keeper

    dance_hall_keeper Forum Resident

    Mr. Seraphine’s superb autobio, Street Player: My Chicago Story deals with these shows brilliantly, saying setting up the equipment for the “sound” they wanted was nearly impossible.

    By the way, I took the time to check and the timestamp of the other thread on this subject and this one was created first.
     
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  19. pdenny

    pdenny 22-Year SHTV Participation Trophy Recipient

    Location:
    Hawthorne CA
    They would have some problems engaging Marino’s services as he passed almost ten years ago :cry:

    I love prime Chicago but this is waaaay too much of a good thing for me. Jessup’s involvement would have made it a no-go anyway even if I was game to spend the $$.
     
  20. Humbuster

    Humbuster Staff Emeritus

    I was really looking forward to this, however after the CTA fiasco I am skeptical.
    I think I will wait and see.
     
  21. Cryptical17

    Cryptical17 Forum Resident

    Location:
    New York
    I 100% agree with your assessment.

    I think James Pankow complained that the horns sounded like kazoos which isn’t true to my ears. I suppose the artist just can’t be satisfied with his own performance.
     
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  22. AudiophilePhil

    AudiophilePhil Senior Member

    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    The original sound of the master tapes is actually not bad. It's the 'modern' remixing that I am concerned about. I'll wait for someone to provide a feedback about the sound quality.
     
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  23. jblock

    jblock Senior Member

    Location:
    Connecticut
    They were on fire for the whole run. I don't think they ever played better. Having said that, all I need to hear are all the versions of Ballet for a Girl in Buchannon.
     
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  24. Chest Pains Productions

    Chest Pains Productions Forum Resident

    Location:
    Philly
    I just watched the trailer. OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! TIM @#$%ing JESSUP????

    RUN!!! RUN!!!!!
     
  25. privit1

    privit1 Senior Member

    Mmm interesting
     

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