I cancelled my order for the vinyl set once I found out that GZ pressed it. I’m done going down that rabbit hole.
Im intrigued as well. I bought the 2LP set. In thinking of buying the Yoko POB vinyl reissue if these LPs turn out to be ok, (they're both pressed by GZ). Her album reissue has gotten good reviews.
Like I said in the other thread, I bought the 2LP set, and if there's even a small hint of no fill or any abnormality on the vinyl, it's going back. No poly lined inners either for the cost. No bueno.
I did a similar evaluation and got the 2LP set. Will maybe return for the CDs if the records aren't up to relative par.
Do you have a TT set up? The album was reissued on vinyl. I'm thinking of buying it then doing a needle drop for the phone. It's about $19 U.S. on Amazon.
Oh my oh my.... I've dreamed of this set for 50 years. To me P.O.B. is the definitive Lennon album. I'm so excited to explore its discoveries, and the little I've already listened to since it arrived this afternoon has been thrilling. Thrilling! The only thing better than this box set for me would be the ability to flat-out buy every take of every song, in order, mixed to perfection. OK? I have a boot covering the REMEMBER session, in fantastic, live, off-the-board quality. THAT's what I'm talking about. And I'm happy to listen to every second. No one but me can decide in advance what I'd want to hear more than once. My hope is that the powers that be will finally stop worrying about "the canon" and simply make every track's masters available for purchase online - every take, every track. Hold mix contests among buyers! It could be an art form which benefits the Beatles yet again, as they keep on being rediscovered anyway. It'll never end, so I think they ought to deal with the scale of many people's obsession. Make it ALL stream-able, downloadable, whatever. Expensive vinyl or boxes like this can be made for the collector's - otherwise, just offer the audio files, please. Sadly, comprehensive as a box set like this tries to be, that task is impossible within the box-set framework. It just can't all FIT! And how can I judge the value of a "sampler" without hearing the full context? Anyway, that said, I resist any kind of complaining. I don't want to get on here the first day of release and say "yes, but." However, I must ask if a frustrating problem I'm having is happening to other people, too... Both blu-ray discs, when I load them into my average, consumer-quality players, grind around for awhile and then are rejected by the machine, twice in a row each. When I push the tray in a third time, the machine does decide to play the disc. When it happened the first time, I thought perhaps it was some kind of first-time recognition problem for the machine, soon to be solved once it got past its table-of-contents problem or (whatever it was), and had played the discs through (because they have played with NO problem once the machine got over those initial two-time rejections). But every time I reload? Come on! Maybe it's the bluray player I'm using (certainly not audiophile). Or is it something in the manufacturing chain? Will these discs become more pliable over time and stop having these start-up tantrums? I dearly hope so, because I just want to get on with it and skip amongst the discs to follow the developmental trails of the songs, and I'll be switching them regularly. And why shouldn't I? Since they both ultimately play, I'm not planning to try to return the bluray discs. Not yet, at least. But I'd like to understand what's happening. Many thanks to anyone who can tell me why I'm having this problem. Jeff
It's indeed 7.1 TrueHD + embedded Atmos objects Only the first 14 tracks of Disc 1 are mixed in surround, the rest is stereo only. I'm not sure. Maybe Dolby paid a few bucks to lead consumers to the conclusion, their surround format would be better.
"Mother". I'd imagine the last time Ringo was this disappointed with a mix was "Got to Get you Into My Life". Thankfully, the mixes get better but seriously, what was Paul Hicks thinking? Lennon's vocals are loud - that was always going to be the case with Yoko looking over your shoulder - but if so, the snare drum has to support some of that angst? It's nowhere. Ultimate mix? Not in my house. Disappointing.
My new go to POB Mother Elements Hold On Elements I Found Out Take 7 (brilliant) Working Class Hero Take 1 Isolation Ultimate Mix Remember Elements Love Elements Well Well Well Take 4 (brilliant) Look At Me Take 2 God Elements My Mummys Dead (whatever version) Cold Turkey take 1 Instant Karma studio demo Give Peace A Chance home demo
Gosh, I am quite surprised that after they bothered to issue in rare 192/24 high resolution (not 96/24 as in Imagine), dynamics are pretty squashed. An overall DR9 value is quite disappointing while using original multitracks, when even the compressed 2010 cd remasters rated a higher DR12 (and some of the very early cd versions had even higher DR13, DR14). I know this is not an album about dynamics, but walking the extra mile for transparency, I think this could have been done better. Don't know if these dynamics are identical for the vinyl version or improved. All this aside, I will get my deluxe copy anyway as many takes are priceless.
24/192 are pretty much useless here anyway: Plastic Ono Band box coming in 2021 Some more numbers... Spoiler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: John Lennon / John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - The Outtakes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR9 -0.20 dB -10.38 dB 4:18 01-Mother (Take 61) DR10 -0.20 dB -12.25 dB 2:11 02-Hold On (Take 2) DR8 -0.20 dB -9.64 dB 3:46 03-I Found Out (Take 1) DR12 -1.06 dB -17.04 dB 3:50 04-Working Class Hero (Take 1) DR9 -0.20 dB -11.57 dB 2:51 05-Isolation (Take 23) DR9 -0.20 dB -11.28 dB 3:11 06-Remember (Rehearsal 1) DR11 -0.29 dB -14.97 dB 2:36 07-Love (Take 6) DR8 -0.20 dB -9.95 dB 3:35 08-Well Well Well (Take 2) DR12 -0.20 dB -14.93 dB 2:50 09-Look At Me (Take 2) DR9 -0.20 dB -11.27 dB 4:06 10-God (Take 27) DR13 -2.41 dB -20.33 dB 1:15 11-My Mummy's Dead (Take 2) DR14 -0.20 dB -16.14 dB 6:01 12-Give Peace A Chance (Take 2) DR10 -0.20 dB -11.91 dB 5:24 13-Cold Turkey (Take 1) DR9 -0.20 dB -10.34 dB 2:53 14-Instant Karma! (We All Shine On) (Take 5) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 14 Official DR value: DR10 Samplerate: 192000 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 24 Bitrate: 4304 kbps Codec: FLAC ================================================================================ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: John Lennon / John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band The Elements Mixes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR11 -0.20 dB -14.52 dB 5:00 01-Mother (Elements Mix) DR10 -0.20 dB -13.42 dB 1:53 02-Hold On (Elements Mix) DR7 -0.20 dB -8.63 dB 5:25 03-I Found Out (Elements Mix) DR10 -0.20 dB -13.81 dB 3:11 04-Working Class Hero (Elements Mix) DR8 -0.20 dB -11.16 dB 2:44 05-Isolation (Elements Mix) DR8 -0.20 dB -9.41 dB 8:38 06-Remember (Elements Mix) DR11 -0.20 dB -15.39 dB 5:40 07-Love (Elements Mix) DR6 -0.20 dB -7.94 dB 5:57 08-Well Well Well (Elements Mix) DR11 -0.20 dB -13.94 dB 2:57 09-Look At Me (Elements Mix) DR8 -0.20 dB -11.27 dB 4:09 10-God (Elements Mix) DR12 -2.27 dB -19.95 dB 0:53 11-My Mummy's Dead (Elements Mix) DR14 -0.20 dB -16.77 dB 4:54 12-Give Peace A Chance (Elements Mix) DR8 -0.20 dB -8.82 dB 5:03 13-Cold Turkey (Elements Mix) DR8 -0.20 dB -9.27 dB 3:21 14-Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (Elements Mix) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 14 Official DR value: DR10 Samplerate: 192000 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 24 Bitrate: 4568 kbps Codec: FLAC ================================================================================ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: John Lennon / John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band The Demos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR13 -0.20 dB -16.46 dB 5:00 01-Mother (Home Demo) DR13 -0.20 dB -15.25 dB 2:18 02-Hold On (Studio Demo) DR13 -0.20 dB -14.97 dB 4:09 03-I Found Out (Home Demo) DR13 -0.58 dB -17.43 dB 3:50 04-Working Class Hero (Studio Demo) DR11 -0.27 dB -15.61 dB 2:55 05-Isolation (Studio Demo) DR12 -0.20 dB -15.41 dB 5:24 06-Remember (Studio Demo) DR13 -0.20 dB -17.91 dB 2:39 07-Love (Home Demo) DR14 -0.20 dB -17.53 dB 1:16 08-Well Well Well (Home Demo) DR13 -1.50 dB -19.45 dB 2:49 09-Look At Me (Home Demo) DR11 -0.20 dB -13.72 dB 3:52 10-God (Home Demo) DR14 -2.77 dB -22.24 dB 1:18 11-My Mummy's Dead (Home Demo) DR11 -0.20 dB -15.04 dB 2:39 12-Give Peace A Chance (Home Demo) DR10 -0.62 dB -13.20 dB 3:34 13-Cold Turkey (Home Demo) DR8 -1.04 dB -10.77 dB 3:33 14-Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (Studio Demo) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 14 Official DR value: DR12 Samplerate: 192000 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 24 Bitrate: 4367 kbps Codec: FLAC ================================================================================ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: John Lennon / John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band The Raw Studio Mixes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR7 -0.20 dB -9.34 dB 5:12 01-Mother (Take 93/Take 64 Edited) DR10 -1.00 dB -13.30 dB 1:52 02-Hold On (Take 32) DR7 0.00 dB -8.80 dB 5:34 03-I Found Out (Take 3) DR9 -0.20 dB -14.48 dB 4:08 04-Working Class Hero (Take 9) DR9 -0.20 dB -12.13 dB 2:52 05-Isolation (Take 29) DR8 -0.20 dB -9.38 dB 4:59 06-Remember (Take 13) DR11 -0.20 dB -16.34 dB 4:27 07-Love (Take 37+38 Piano Outro) DR8 -0.20 dB -10.44 dB 6:47 08-Well Well Well (Take 4) DR13 -0.20 dB -16.41 dB 3:08 09-Look At Me (Take 9) DR9 -0.20 dB -11.49 dB 4:27 10-God (Take 42) DR12 -4.27 dB -19.83 dB 0:54 11-My Mummy's Dead (Take 1) DR8 -0.20 dB -9.97 dB 6:35 12-Give Peace A Chance (Take 4) DR7 -0.20 dB -8.21 dB 5:06 13-Cold Turkey (Take 1) DR7 -0.20 dB -8.42 dB 3:32 14-Instant Karma! (We All Shine On) (Take 10) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 14 Official DR value: DR9 Samplerate: 192000 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 24 Bitrate: 5886 kbps Codec: FLAC ================================================================================ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: John Lennon / John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band The Raw Studio Mixes/The Outtakes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR9 -0.20 dB -10.79 dB 4:00 01-Mother (Take 91) DR10 -0.70 dB -12.67 dB 2:07 02-Hold On (Take 18) DR7 -0.20 dB -8.75 dB 7:51 03-I Found Out (Take 7) DR10 -1.50 dB -14.77 dB 3:44 04-Working Class Hero (Take 10) DR8 -1.20 dB -11.67 dB 0:35 05-Isolation (Take 1) DR8 -0.20 dB -10.47 dB 2:53 06-Remember (Take 1) DR11 -0.20 dB -14.04 dB 2:34 07-Love (Take 9) DR7 -0.20 dB -9.31 dB 5:06 08-Well Well Well (Take 5) DR12 -0.20 dB -15.56 dB 3:12 09-Look At Me (Take 3) DR9 -0.20 dB -11.04 dB 2:28 10-God (Take 1) DR14 -1.02 dB -18.80 dB 1:19 11-My Mummy's Dead (Take 2) DR11 -1.20 dB -14.47 dB 6:33 12-Give Peace A Chance (Take 4) DR7 -0.20 dB -8.73 dB 5:01 13-Cold Turkey (Take 2) DR8 -0.20 dB -9.53 dB 3:11 14-Instant Karma! (We All Shine On) (Take 5) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 14 Official DR value: DR9 Samplerate: 192000 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 24 Bitrate: 5005 kbps Codec: FLAC ================================================================================ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: John Lennon / John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band Evolution Mixes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR12 -0.20 dB -17.00 dB 9:16 01-Mother (Evolution Mix) DR12 -0.20 dB -16.31 dB 8:46 02-Hold On (Evolution Mix) DR13 -0.20 dB -15.04 dB 6:01 03-I Found Out (Evolution Mix) DR12 -0.20 dB -19.12 dB 3:34 04-Working Class Hero (Evolution Mix) DR13 -0.20 dB -17.19 dB 9:39 05-Isolation (Evolution Mix) DR12 -0.20 dB -15.82 dB 7:02 06-Remember (Evolution Mix) DR13 -0.20 dB -16.52 dB 7:37 07-Love (Evolution Mix) DR11 -0.20 dB -13.66 dB 4:50 08-Well Well Well (Evolution Mix) DR13 -0.20 dB -17.53 dB 5:51 09-Look At Me (Evolution Mix) DR13 -0.20 dB -17.50 dB 8:10 10-God (Evolution Mix) DR14 -2.69 dB -20.00 dB 1:36 11-My Mummy's Dead (Evolution Mix) DR12 -0.20 dB -16.38 dB 7:29 12-Give Peace A Chance (Evolution Mix) DR12 -0.20 dB -15.07 dB 4:51 13-Cold Turkey (Evolution Mix) DR11 -0.20 dB -14.93 dB 8:48 14-Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (Evolution Mix) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 14 Official DR value: DR12 Samplerate: 192000 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 24 Bitrate: 5472 kbps Codec: FLAC ================================================================================ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: John Lennon / John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band The Jams -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR10 -0.20 dB -11.32 dB 1:02 01-Johnny B. Goode (Jam) DR11 -0.20 dB -12.64 dB 1:54 02-Ain't That A Shame (Jam) DR14 -0.20 dB -15.58 dB 2:22 03-Hold On (1) (Jam) DR15 -0.20 dB -16.47 dB 1:37 04-Hold On (2) (Jam) DR13 -0.20 dB -14.67 dB 1:12 05-Glad All Over (Jam) DR13 -0.20 dB -16.03 dB 0:44 06-Be Faithful To Me (Jam) DR13 -0.20 dB -14.66 dB 1:06 07-Send Me Some Lovin’ (Jam) DR15 -0.20 dB -16.45 dB 1:05 08-Get Back (Jam) DR14 -0.20 dB -15.30 dB 1:56 09-Lost John (1) (Jam) DR16 -0.20 dB -18.22 dB 1:51 10-Goodnight Irene (Jam) DR17 -0.20 dB -21.33 dB 1:44 11-You’ll Never Walk Alone (Parody) (Jam) DR14 -0.20 dB -15.74 dB 3:30 12-I Don’t Want To A Soldier Mama I Don’t Wanna Die (Jam) DR14 -0.20 dB -15.91 dB 1:08 13-It’ll Be Me (Jam) DR11 -0.20 dB -12.52 dB 1:39 14-Honey Don't (Jam) DR11 -0.20 dB -13.90 dB 2:48 15-Elvis Parody (Don't Be Cruel/Hound Dog/When I’m Over You) (Jam) DR11 -0.20 dB -12.11 dB 1:57 16-Matchbox (Jam) DR11 -8.69 dB -25.07 dB 0:20 17-I've Got A Feeling (Jam) DR12 -0.20 dB -14.05 dB 2:44 18-Mystery Train (Jam) DR11 -3.03 dB -19.37 dB 0:29 19-You're So Square (Jam) DR11 -3.10 dB -18.75 dB 1:46 20-I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don’t Wanna Die (Jam) DR11 -2.53 dB -17.13 dB 0:48 21-Lost John (2) (Jam) DR9 -0.20 dB -11.00 dB 2:07 22-Don't Worry Kyoko (Mummy's Only Looking For Her Hand In The Snow) (Jam) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 22 Official DR value: DR13 Samplerate: 192000 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 24 Bitrate: 3351 kbps Codec: FLAC ================================================================================ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: Yoko Ono / Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band Live Sessions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR12 -0.20 dB -13.33 dB 18:01 01-Why DR13 -0.20 dB -15.83 dB 21:21 02-Why Not DR13 -0.20 dB -14.93 dB 8:24 03-Greenfield Morning I Pushed An Empty Baby Carriage All Over The City DR10 -0.20 dB -13.30 dB 15:54 04-Touch Me DR11 -0.20 dB -12.72 dB 12:16 05-Paper Shoes DR13 -0.20 dB -15.27 dB 6:56 06-Life DR13 -0.20 dB -15.33 dB 6:32 07-Omae No Okaa Wa DR12 -0.20 dB -17.72 dB 5:02 08-I Lost Myself Somewhere In The Sky DR9 -2.77 dB -16.47 dB 4:03 09-Remember Love DR9 -0.20 dB -10.76 dB 9:28 10-Don't Worry Kyoko (Mummy's Only Looking For Her Hand In The Snow) DR9 -4.12 dB -17.11 dB 2:04 11-Who Has Seen The Wind? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 11 Official DR value: DR11 Samplerate: 192000 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 24 Bitrate: 4846 kbps Codec: FLAC ================================================================================
Take 7 of ‘I Found Out’ very gutsy guitar that shows Lennon was an underrated rhythm guitarist. Good take. I always had a liking for this track as well as ‘Well Well Well.’ The early take if ‘I don’t wanna Be. Soldier’ from IMAGINE is a killer as well. (Come to think of it all the takes of that song are great.)
Thanks for the detailed information, very helpful. You are right, if not going beyond 26kHz, why do you want 192/24? I see the frequencies on "Mother" are for the 5.1 , what about the stereo version? also not beyond 26kHz? Some of the Jams are holding pretty well on dynamics though. Thank you!
I see on the You Tube page they put up that WNEW interview where John 'breaks-down' ELO's "Showdown"!
wow, they both seem like plugged gigs... worth the price of entry. I Found Out Take 7 & Well Well Well Take 4 are perfect candidates for a RSD vinyl edition, like 2019 "Imagine - raw studio mixes" vinyl. That one was pressed in Germany, very nice. Beatles vinyl editions have pampered us with Optimal or even QRP pressings, I wish they had kept that standard instead of GZ. C'mon, it is not going to be for the price charged. Maybe it is a matter of full capacity now for these pressing plants suggested... what about Pallas ;-)?
I too was on the fence about the box, but having listened to the main album and the Evolution mixes I am blown away. So glad I kept my order in place and looking forward to playing the rest. From your blog these words really resonated with me ‘Because this album is so sparse instrumentally I thought a remix wouldn’t really do much but this set really works. The material sounds so fresh which makes the intimacy of the songs that much more apparent. I’d say this new remix is my favorite of the recent Lennon solo remixes as it models the original mix but makes it better. A rare feat.’ Indeed.
Tim Burgess of the Charlatans is hosting a Twitter listening party at 6pm today GMT...sounds like Yoko and Sean will be popping in! Some news reports that Ringo might be too. https://twitter.com/Tim_Burgess/status/1384209543329042433
At least they could have said "ANDY White" (drummer on "Love Me Do"), who occasionally gets confused with the more-notable "ALAN White" in Beatle mentions.
Here's a breakdown of how the m2ts-streams on the two blu-ray discs have been organised: blu-ray disc 1 00000 The elements mixes - album + singles (tracks 1-14) 59:43 00001 The demos - album + singles (tracks 1-14) 45:16 00002 void 00003 BR1 menu - The ultimate mixes - the outtakes (silent) 00:03 00004 BR1 menu - The elements mixes (silent) 00:03 00005 black screen 00:01 00006 The ultimate mixes - album + singles (tracks 1-14) 52:54 00007 The ultimate mixes - the outtakes (tracks 1-14) 48:48 00008 BR1 menu - The ultimate mixes - album + singles (silent) 00:04 00009 BR1 menu - The demos (silent) 00:03 00010 FBI warning 00:05 00013 void 00014 void 00020 BR1 menu - tree (silent) 00:54 00021 BR1 menu - tree (silent) 00:53 00022 BR1 menu - tree (silent) 00:02 00023 BR1 menu - tree (silent) 00:02 00024 BR1 menu - tree (silent) 00:02 00025 BR1 menu - tree (silent) 00:02 00047 void 00054 void 00059 Universal logo 00:11 00061 copyright warning 00:07 00099 black screen 00:01 00101 black screen 00:01 00102 black screen 00:01 blu-ray disc 2 00000 Yoko Ono / Plastic Ono Band - the live sessions (part 2: tracks 4-8) 46:40 00001 BR2 menu - tree (silent) 00:01 00002 void 00003 BR2 menu - tree (silent) 00:01 00004 void 00005 black screen 00:01 00006 Yoko Ono / Plastic Ono Band - the live sessions (part 1: tracks 1-3) 47:44 00007 The jams (tracks 1-22) 35:50 00008 Yoko Ono / Plastic Ono Band - the live sessions (part 3: tracks 9-11) 15:34 00009 The evolution documentary - album + singles (part 1: tracks 1-7) 51:54 00010 FBI warning 00:05 00011 BR2 menu - tree (silent) 00:01 00012 BR2 menu - tree (silent) 00:01 00013 void 00014 void 00015 The evolution documentary - album + singles (part 2: tracks 8-14) 41:35 00016 The raw studio mixes - the outtakes (tracks 1-14) 50:34 00017 The raw studio mixes - album + singles (tracks 1-14) 59:32 00018 BR2 menu - tree (silent) 00:01 00019 BR2 menu - The evolution documentary (silent) 00:03 00020 BR2 menu - tree (silent) 00:54 00021 BR2 menu - tree (silent) 00:53 00022 BR2 menu - The raw studio mixes - the outtakes (silent) 00:03 00023 BR2 menu - The jams (silent) 00:03 00047 void 00048 BR2 menu - The raw studio mixes (silent) 00:03 00049 BR2 menu - Yoko Ono / Plastic Ono Band - the live sessions (silent) 00:03 00054 void 00059 Universal logo 00:11 00061 copyright warning 00:07 00099 black screen 00:01 00101 black screen 00:01 00102 black screen 00:01
Completely agree regarding ‘Mother’. Ringo’s drums are the solid driving force (much in the same way Mick Woodmansey’s are on Bowie’s ‘Five Years’) - yet on this new mix they hardly register as anything but a faint click track. The vocals are way too loud. I’ve no problem with the rest of the remixes but to start the album on such a mis-step is verging on a deal breaker.
