Velvet Underground 2021 releases

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by hallucalation, Mar 18, 2021.

  1. mr.datsun

    mr.datsun Incompletist

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    One of the tracks was released on the Dispatches From The Dream Factory 3CD set. 'Here Comes The Waves'.
     
  2. rnranimal

    rnranimal Senior Member

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    Sounds like Hangin Round and Perfect Day might be what was on the Transformer 2002 remaster but I haven't gotten it out yet to directly compare.
     
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  3. nick jones

    nick jones Forum Resident

    I think so,both sound the same but the lenght is different
     
  4. rnranimal

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    I just went to compare and the video was removed. Damn. I hadn't downloaded it yet. I snoozed.
     
  5. mr.datsun

    mr.datsun Incompletist

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    I was thinking along the same lines. All three very good and well-recorded demos. Love to hear the rest properly.
     
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  6. rnranimal

    rnranimal Senior Member

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    This is the type of thing that needs a release but is more likely to languish in limbo.

    However, it begs the question of where did they get the 2 tracks they used for Transformer and did they have access to the rest then? If so, they've already passed on releasing this. Hopefully they reconsider that.

    They could do a really wonderful 2CD deluxe of the debut. Remix the main album to fix the Dolby issue (assuming the tapes exist), add in the single mixes and these demo reels.
     
  7. mr.datsun

    mr.datsun Incompletist

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    Yep. Someone else's got a copy of this tape. It was used on the Japanese boot and looks like the Transformer reissue, too.

    Reed couldn't fix the Dolby thing, so not sure anyone else can. Never understood this. Just get the right Dolby decoder in the studio when you remaster it. Someone! But who actually said it was about Dolby anyway?
     
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  8. Southsideryan

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    i thought Lou was able to fix it for a track or two from the record when he put out the Between Thought and Expression box set
     
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  9. Southsideryan

    Southsideryan Well-Known Member

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  10. mr.datsun

    mr.datsun Incompletist

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    Well he supposedly attended to the solo album remasters program himself and from what everyone seems to say was unable to fix it for the rest of the album. But who knows?
     
  11. PES

    PES Forum Resident

    Excuse this minor WTF, but in looking over the Lou Reed papers link, I see a reference to a Lou Reed / John Cale "Men of Good Fortune" demo from 1965. Is that Berlin's "Men of Good Fortune"? You're telling me that Lou was pulling eight year old material to construct that album? I know "Berlin" first showed up on Lou Reed, but I had never heard a whisper about even older material being utilized. Some knowledgable Hoffman Forum member needs to provide some details on this.
     
  12. asdf35

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    Before the video was taken down, the uploader posted in the comments that there was some contact between Reed's estate/Sony about a "prompt" (his word) release.
     
  13. mr.datsun

    mr.datsun Incompletist

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    Im not sure its the same tape. The Robinson apartment tapes are not good quality - if that’s the ones you are referring to.
     
  14. mr.datsun

    mr.datsun Incompletist

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    I heard it was nothing like the Berlin song
     
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  15. Southsideryan

    Southsideryan Well-Known Member

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    yea it’s tru
    I was referring to the link above the Robinson’s tape!
     
  16. Southsideryan

    Southsideryan Well-Known Member

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    Ride Sally Ride was also allegedly demoed by the velvets
     
  17. rnranimal

    rnranimal Senior Member

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    It can't be fixed in mastering. The issue happened at mixing so is baked into the mix. The different single mixes do not suffer from this issue and so it is assumed the multitracks are safe from the issue and could be used to remix the album without the issue. This assumes they still exist.
     
  18. rnranimal

    rnranimal Senior Member

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    On the box set tracks, they used EQ and added a touch of reverb to mask the Dolby issue and improve the sound but can't actually fix it. The links are all dead, but I replicated this pretty much perfectly by EQing and adding reverb to one of the album CD releases and posted it here in another Lou thread. I wish I had kept my files.
     
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  19. Southsideryan

    Southsideryan Well-Known Member

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    Ah damn would’ve been cool to hear!
     
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  20. rnranimal

    rnranimal Senior Member

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    Yeah, I did it as a test on a couple tracks but wish I had processed the whole album and kept it. Might be something I revisit.
     
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  21. mr.datsun

    mr.datsun Incompletist

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    Ok. I don't find the list very clearly formatted. The list of songs above where is says 'Robinson's Apartment' – isn't that description applying to those songs? Anyway the tape on youtube seemed to be another set of songs, doesn't it? I've heard two sets of songs from this point in time and they both sound quite poor and neither had the Here Come The Waves that is on the Dispatches boot...
     
  22. mr.datsun

    mr.datsun Incompletist

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    That would be nice to hear, if you ever get time.
     
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  23. Tristero

    Tristero In possession of the future tense

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    Wow, what a great performance. Hearing it in stark demo form like this reveals what a powerful song it is.
     
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  24. Doctor Flang

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    Those tracks had some added reverb and some boosted highs, i think. So, it was "fixed", but the actual problem was not solved.

    Anyway, i think they sounded pretty good.

    Of course, that album needs a remix.
     
  25. Zerox

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    Well, there is the VU version of Sad Song and of course Caroline Says 2 is a re-written Stephanie Says.
     
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