The Vinyl Community on YouTube

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by jon9091, Feb 18, 2019.

  1. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    Nothing like using this site and any others to self promote oneself youtube channel.

    I was going to start a thread awhile back and try to talk about all these youtube channels. Many just starting out use them for learning, and it's a shame that many making the vids sound like noobs themselves. One of my biggest pet peeve is the spreading of internet myths, preconceived bias one way or another, and then trying to tell others what sounds good or not.

    You have many noobs doing vids influencing other noobs on what to buy as far as records or equipment. It's a big blind leading the blind with a touch of narcissistic and prima donna personality making vids for self validation of their own view of importance.

    It's all about "likes" "Subscribers" "Click Bate" anything that makes them feel important. In some cases money and what they can receive for doing them, and others will use them if it helps to promote their business.

    While I know there are members here that do vids, most with the traits of my above comments don't really post here. If they posted here, they would have post other than trying to get people to go over to their specific Youtube channel. What's the difference in participation on an open forum and Youtube? They are the center of attention, it's all about what they want to talk about, they are the main player of the topic. A comment below the vid just gets lost, any debate and rebuttal gets lost, not to mention the fact they can personally block anyone they want.

    If you are new to audio, music, different masterings and pressings in all they're formats. I just have to say this, anyone who listens to one persons or other peoples opinion on sound quality is doing a disservice to themselves. If you base your buying and acquisition of records on someone else's opinion without listening for yourself your missing out.

    I do understand how people new to records try to find the fast track to a good pressing, or the best as they can be expensive. But the journey is part of learning and knowing what sounds good. No one else can tell you this, reading can't tell you this, preconceive bias and internet myths can't tell you this. The only way to truly know what sounds good to you is listening to multiple copies of the same tile, in your system with your own ears.

    If you like these vids, good for you. I primarily use them for seeing what might be out or in say a box set contents. As far as what others think is quality, or sound quality they just can't tell me that, nor can they tell you.
     
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  2. drbryant

    drbryant Senior Member

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    The audiophile YouTube channels are content providers and their videos are entertainment. For me, that’s it and nothing more.

    Obviously, there’s a lot of good content on television - from news to sports to the latest TV series. But, as an audiophile, there are times when I would rather watch some guy in Germany talk about a $500 ERC Bill Evans record I’ll never buy, or a budding audiophile woman from Kentucky talk about upgrading her turntable. I actually find that more entertaining than the latest Netflix series. Just like some people watch bowling - I’ll watch someone unbox the latest “super deluxe” Beatles release.

    And when you think about it, if YouTube channels are creating content that I choose to watch over some high-budget TV series . . . maybe they deserve to make a little money.
     
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  3. Synthfreek

    Synthfreek I’m a ray of sunshine & bastion of positivity

    Good lord, get over yourself. Getting pissed off because these people making these videos are probably getting $7 per month…gimme a god damn break.
     
  4. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    I assume your directing that at me but chose not to quote me so I would not be alerted to it.

    My post is not a case of me getting over myself, or me getting pissed off at what others do. The whole point of it was to point out to members new to all this, not to used Youtube channels as the only source of learning. (Take them with a grain of salt) I said this because as stated above, many many of them look like they are no further ahead of the ones trying to learn, but act like they are the experts.

    They are "influencing" others that are very new to the hobby, with lots of BS. I see a ton of regurgitated myths, misinformation and bias that in reading comments many believe as true thanking the person doing the vid for warning them.

    Just like many are posting in this thread, purely to get you over to their channel. The whole thing is promotion, other business also use these channels with a lot of subscribers donating product for them to review. This again brings on a bias that they teach others new to the hobby, and the channel is getting paid off for good comments/reviews.

    The whole point of my post was to teach people new to explore and get their own hands on a product and listen to it. The only way anyone can know if something sounds good or bad is to get it and listen to it. But that doesn't seem to be the trend or teaching these days, people go and listen to others opinions first on a product.

    If I learned anything in years of audio, music, pressings / masterings and audio playback. No one else can tell me what sounds good. All our ears, spaces, systems, reference points, and taste are different, so it's best to just listen for your self.

    That said being a part of this site, and others you can get a consciences because you have many agreements and rebuttals, it's a conversation. I don't see that on Youtube channels, it's like they hold the one making the video as the end all in their view of the topic.

    Anyway have a nice day
     
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  5. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    I can only speak for myself as someone who produces two videos per week and posts some of them here but if you were to have a look at the comment section on any of my videos, you would see that u reply to nearly every comment left. I very much want to get discussion going so I make it a point to reply to as much as I can.

    My reply isn't meant to get you to go check out my channel. It's merely meant to point out that many of us are very active with anyone who does take the time to watch our videos.
     
  6. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    My point about that, wasn't that the ones making vids don't reply but that Youtube's comment section is not setup good for anyone reading. Like here, you quoted me and in turn I quoted you, we both get another comment box that all can see the dialogue and responses happening in order of time.

    Youtube is not like that, if I left a comment it will be only a bit of it showing and the comment string will keep rolling pushing it further from the top of the string. If you bother to read the whole post and left a comment it's still not back to the top with a new post. The way they string the comments no one can follow along, much is hidden.

    Then the fact no one can add things in those comment boxes like links, other vids and so forth. So lets just say you posted something totally untrue and I commented pointing it out at post 10, post 10 will be berried and really no one will see it. Most people don't go to Youtube to discuss anything, they might just leave a very short comment, saying thanks for the video, or I agree from their phone. If there is a back and forth it's in another hidden string within the first comment I left, it's very archaic.
     
  7. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    Right on, I get what you're saying now. For the record, I didn't take your post as attacking me or anyone here really. I just misunderstood your point, so I appreciate you clarifying for me.

    Having said all of that, I totally agree with what you're saying about the YouTube comment system overall. I've also spent years watching a lot of misinformation on YouTube and thought the same thing you're saying. I've seen people say wildly untrue things about audio products or certain pressings. Due to the way the YouTube comment system works, there's no good way to discuss/debate the misinformation.
     
  8. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    Correct, someone new coming into a vid that has hundreds of comments don't see the fist ones normally. Then if there is a discussion within one comment most don't see that either. Then the fact the one posting the vid can block anyone who turns them into a fool LOL. Conversely they can also pin it to the top and highlight it also.

    The channel one runs is up to them unlike here, if you start a thread here, you can't delete what I have to say unless you get the third party.

    Yeah I have been commenting in generality and hope no one takes this as an assault on them specifically. It's just in resent years there is so many experts on youtube that they really just started yesterday and the ones starting today are looking up to them.
     
  9. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    Totally get what you're saying. I didn't take it as an attack on me personally or anyone here specifically but I totally get what you mean in general.

    It's funny that you mention people deleting comments, etc. I have seen that A LOT. I don't want to call anyone out by name but I've seen exactly what you're talking about a lot and it's sad. Whereas me.....I recently did a video on an album that's not so popular and I went on justifying why I think it's a much better album than people give it credit for. I was surprised to see a lot of comments saying things like "I totally agree" or "I need to go back and give this album a chance". Then I had one person leave a pretty nasty comment about how bad the album is, more or less saying I was dumb for liking it. I went to reply and hit the "Hide user from channel" button on the app instead of just "Reply".

    I panicked because I did NOT mean to censor them or wipe them off my channel. I really wanted to have a discussion about their opposing opinion. It took me a while, but I figured out how to unblock the user from my channel but their comment is still missing. This happened last week and I still feel bad about it lol. I've put up 80+ videos now and that's the first time I made a mistake like that. I've had plenty of people leave opposing opinions and we always have a good debate. This one instance is going to haunt me for some time because I never want to be the person that just deletes opinions other than my own.
     
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  10. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    Thought I'd share some info on some newer Van Halen bootlegs
     
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  11. MikeInFla

    MikeInFla Glad to be out of Florida

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    Interesting, those look good enough to fool me but I would be pissed with the low volume on "Right Here, Right Now". I'm one of those folks you mentioned that has no interest in III but it looks like they put some effort into it.
     
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  12. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    Exactly. I was stunned that the one they put way more effort into is the one I think less people would want.
     
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  13. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    New video is up. We recently hit 1000 subscribers, so thank you to anyone on here who helped :)
     
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  14. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    New video up :)
     
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  15. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    Follow up with more of my 10" records :)
     
  16. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

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    The few I've watched can be summarized as:

    Cute girl with almost no perspective talks about albums I know more than her about. Has lots of likes.
    Cute girl with almost no perspective talks about "rarities" which amount to recent manufactured ephemra for the collectors' market. Has lots of likes.
    Not cute oldsters who actually know what they are talking about show pics of vinyl porn. Has a few likes.
     
  17. struttincool

    struttincool Senior Member

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    USA
    Well, I was hoping for a cute girl after watching 5 minutes of Michael Fremer and Chad from Acoustic Sounds and Mike from The In Groove, and they are the reason we have a Vinyl Community
     
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  18. kellys

    kellys Forum Resident

    I think you are making to much of a big deal out of it. They are enthusiastic, having fun and a lot of times entertaining. Sometimes they are wrong about stuff, so what. It’s a hobby, they are not discussing the latest medical treatment.
     
  19. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    Put this one out last week. A quick look at my RSD BF pickups:
     
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  20. MikeInFla

    MikeInFla Glad to be out of Florida

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    I made a video. By no means is it high tech, just me and a camera. Some friends wanted to see some of my Styx records that are on colored vinyl so I made this:
     
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  21. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    I post 2 new videos every week, but it's been a few weeks since I posted one here. My latest just premiered this morning :)
     
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  22. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    New video out with a couple of cool film scores
     
  23. RussTCB

    RussTCB Forum Resident

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    Hey everyone. I haven't stopped in for a while, but I've been keeping up on posting two new videos every week. My latest is a review of some inner sleeves for anyone interested:
     
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  24. lazydawg58

    lazydawg58 Know enough to know how much I don't know

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    This is an interesting take on the people that make you tube videos, and sure there is some truth to it. But I think if you looked around you would find you are only touching on one subset within the platform. Within you tube are communities of people that make videos related to music collecting for the sole purpose of enjoyment. The channels aren't monetized the motivation is sincere. While some of the channels have thousands of subscribers most are small with subscribers in the hundreds. People create threads and have little contests. We send records to one another unsolicited just because we want to share a particular record or artist with a you tube friend. Some of us make videos that are reviews of albums, retrospect's on artist careers, looks at genres, labels, the list goes on and on. For instance, I've done a series on Country Brother acts, videos on the Pre-War Blues scene in Durham, several on repairing and servicing Dual turntables (never from a "expert" perspective but from a "learning as I go, you can do it too" one). And I've reviewed albums and done looks at artist catalogs. And sure making videos is a little about ego, everyone wants to be noticed and appreciated, but of course posting here on Hoffman isn't much different. It's a community or really there a multiple communities. So I think your take is more a reflection of a limited exposure to what it has to offer than a true picture of what it has to offer.
     
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  25. MikeInFla

    MikeInFla Glad to be out of Florida

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    @RussTCB I enjoyed your video on "Momentary Lapse". Glad I wasn't the only one who thought there really wasn't much difference in it. I thought it was just me. Perhaps I don't know the album well enough (because it had been years since I owned a copy and haven't heard it in over 20 years). Glad I picked it up but my ears didn't hear a whole lot that made it stand out from the original.
     
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