Ozark (Netflix)

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by dmiller458, Jul 22, 2017.

  1. Isaac K.

    Isaac K. Forum Resident

    I’m not saying that it would be good, only that they could get away with it with relative ease. Why not a bullet in the brain like Wyatt if they didn’t want to have a potential out? A long close up isn’t so long when its actually a slow motion shot. More than enough time for Three to come out of the trailer, shoot her and then call the EMTs.
     
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  2. NettleBed

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    I don't think they could do it with "relative ease" because she was shown to unambiguously be dead. I don't think the audience could buy that she's not actually dead.

    In all likelihood for symbolic purposes - the heart of the show had a hole put in hers by Marty's world.

    Anyway, the showrunner has stated in all of the recent interviews that she is definitely dead and that this was the way he and the writers saw the narrative as most logically concluding. So, even though I disagree with that assessment, she's definitely without any doubt dead.
     
  3. dwilpower

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    They OD'd on sugar
     
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  4. dwilpower

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    A terrific show that didn't overstay its welcome like so many other shows. The 4 season arc was just right. A satisfactory finale too. Just about everyone the Byrde's came into close contact with had a violent end. I did hope Ruth was gonna get out from under everything.
     
  5. Isaac K.

    Isaac K. Forum Resident

    …until they say otherwise. And that’s all that I’m saying. They really didn’t paint themselves into a corner at all. There are several ways they could change their mind if they want to. There have been plenty of shows of the past that have come back from far more implausible cliffhangers than this. Good idea or bad idea is kind of irrelevant. It’s been done.
     
  6. dwilpower

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    She could step out of the shower.... it was all a nightmare!
     
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  7. tdcrjeff

    tdcrjeff Senior Member

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    They were laundering something.
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  8. Vidiot

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    You figure she must've had, what... $10 million? $20 million? More? Certainly enough to afford 4-5 armed security guards.

    I was pissed-off because the air bags never went off, and this was a model without electronic-controlled traction, which is why I hydroplaned off a puddle. So for years, I said "that Lexus SC-430 tried to kill me!" Never owned another sports car since.
     
  9. nosticker

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    There was so much online speculation about the fate of Ben that I believe the Ozark showrunners responded by making his fate unambiguous. I thought that his final chapter was obvious and didn't need/have to be shown, which made it downright chilling. Made me hate Wendy Byrde. But Ozark, true to form, hit us over the head. That scene really shook me.


    Dan
     
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  10. dmiller458

    dmiller458 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Ruth didn't know how to be rich.
     
  11. Vidiot

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    Eh, she should've figured it out. The problem is if she had, then it'd become a story issue. There's a lot of things like this where the writers and producers would say, "well, in order for the show to get to this story arc <character gets killed>, we can't let them realize XYZ because that'll prevent us from getting to that goal." They rarely let logic get in the way of telling the story they want to tell.

    I asked an acquaintance of mine who was a story editor on Daredevil, "hey, why is it that the villains in the show never carry automatic weapons and five or six of them just spray about 200 rounds of ammunition in his direction?" And he basically shrugged and said, "because that would be the end of the show." So instead, there's lots and lots of martial-arts fighting in the series. They bend the logic to fit the story, not vice-versa.
     
  12. citizensmurf

    citizensmurf Ambient postpunk will never die

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    Anyone else think it odd they name Wendy after the falsename Tinkerbell gave to Wendy in Peter Pan. Not sure if there is a metaphor there.
     
  13. Isaac K.

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    I think he was making a joke. Its a reference to a conversation she had with Wyett about having a pool next to a lake.
     
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  14. dmiller458

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    You want realism from a show based on a comic book?
     
  15. dmiller458

    dmiller458 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I was making a joke, but I was serious.

    Ruth drove herself to party and back home. The wealthy don't drive themselves. If she had bodyguards, it would have been a shootout instead of just a murder.

    The thing I didn't like about the finale is that Marty should have ended up running the cartel.
     
  16. Isaac K.

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    I think the Byrds should have paid some sort of price for their activities but they really didn’t. They could have at least had one of them lose a finger or something.
     
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  17. spencer1

    spencer1 Great Western Forum Resident

    Well made, compelling series and I did enjoy it.

    My only criticism is that there was nobody to root for and it was unrelenting dark, dour and humorless.
    I understand that would is dark and dangerous but The Sopranos explored a similar world and gave us some moments of light
     
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  18. Vidiot

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    As far as I know, Ozark was created and written specifically for television -- I don't know of a comic book. Regradless, story logic is a real thing, even in a comic book, even in a TV show.

    Sometimes one line of dialogue can explain why something isn't done. "Hey, Ruth! Why not get some bodyguards?" "If the cartel wants to get me, they'll still get me regardless of how many armed guys are standing around me. Besides, this is my home, and I'll do what I want." But to say nothing and ignore the situation was just a glaring omission.

    I think these are fair criticisms.
     
  19. George Co-Stanza

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    I think her actions in the last few episodes were not realistic based on what she had endured. She seemed to not care about Marty or the cartel after taking over the casino, but she knew enough to where she should have known to tread lightly. Hell, the cartel waterboarded her several seasons ago, and you don't forget that.
     
  20. dmiller458

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    I was referring to Daredevil.
     
  21. captouch

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    I didn’t find it contradictory and sometimes inserting a line to explain things can just seem a bit unnecessary.

    Ruth grew up poor and was used to being independent and doing things herself. Also, she had just recently lost her closest relative, murdered another human for the first time, and had very little on the way of family left. Her boyfriend was killed and it’s not like she was ever the most optimistic anyway.

    To me, there was probably an element of “whatever” and “who gives a F” - not sure she had a ton to live for at that point, nor was she really in the state of mind to think very clearly or logically.

    What seemed more contrary to logic was that Camila, as a supposedly calculating ruthless person, would go there alone to kill Ruth vs going there with overwhelming force - she wouldn’t have known that Ruth didn’t have protection, so going there solo seems more of a stretch than Ruth being alone.
     
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  22. George Co-Stanza

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    I agree that Camilia killing Ruth the way she did was unrealistic, not to mention that there is no way she would have given Ruth a quick death.

    Also, Ruth had killed before, when she killed her uncles in Season 1 with the rigged dock.
     
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  23. Tone

    Tone Senior Member

    Agreed.....but that was kind of the point of the show.... as I posted earlier.....

    "the writers said that Ozark was the story of two families..... the the well-off North Side Chicago Byrde family... and the scrappy Ozark Langmore family...... guess who came out butter-side-up? ... a very American Story."
     
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  24. captouch

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    Right, forgot about the uncles!
     
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  25. Isaac K.

    Isaac K. Forum Resident

    I heard you the first time. It still doesn’t lend itself to being a satisfying conclusion to the storyline in my opinion. The writers can say whatever they want to but it doesn’t mean that the audience has to mindlessly go along with it.
     

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