Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has been cutting vinyl from digital since a long, long time ago...

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Ben Adams, Jul 14, 2022.

  1. snorker

    snorker Big Daddy

    Pretty OT, but they did discuss the Pretenders s/t in the video…

    So, I just compared the track “Brass in Pocket” on the original US Sire LP (Winchester pressing), the original UK 45, and the MoFi LP. None sound that great frankly, but the MoFi isn’t better enough (or at all, depending on one’s taste) to justify the price over the Sire original, for which I paid all of $3.

    The MoFi is the clearest sounding, but the lead vocal
    can sound a bit screechy on this track, so it doesn’t really help with that issue, and arguably makes it a touch worse.

    I do hear some wow or some tape issue on both the UK 45 and the Sire LP (apparent on the cymbals) that seems corrected on the MoFi, maybe because the DSD transfer allows them to fix it? Not sure.
     
  2. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    LOL, you must have viewed a few pages. None of this saga is really new like it's being made out to be today. As far as an apology, don't need one and doubt they ever admit being totally wrong.

    I hope your learning something from all this that's transpired and about the people who push the myths in audio.
     
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  3. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    All truly great journalists accept everything at face value and don’t ask questions. Everybody knows that…
     
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  4. Tim1954

    Tim1954 Forum Resident

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    I can’t speak for the “golden ear” club, but I personally think that, like analog, digital is far from back and white.

    Could I typically detect a record just mastered from a CD? I think more often than not it’s obvious, although it does depend on the type of music involved.

    Ultra hi-res run through analog? I’d probably not fare as well.
     
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  5. biggysteve

    biggysteve Forum Resident

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    The vinyl community deliberating over analog and digital over the past 7 days.
     
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  6. matt0505

    matt0505 Forum Resident

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    US
    …..yikes
     
  7. 2.1Channels

    2.1Channels Forum Resident

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    New Jersey USA
    I guess that explanation MFSL put on the back of the 'Eye In The Sky' is sort of a fib, as they transferred the analog mixdown to digital and back again for cutting. I guess it was better than using the original digital PCM master used for the original release. I still like the Classic HDAD best, which used the analog masters.
     
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  8. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    In my opinion, the AP version of Folk Singer is superior
     
  9. Jasonbraswell

    Jasonbraswell Vinylphile

    Location:
    Guntersville
    No way digital is equal to a quality AAA pressing
    Just because some listeners here were oblivious doesn't make it so.

    FFS, try some AB comparisons. I stream hi res on Qobuz and then play AAA often.
    There's a real difference.

    The eye opener for me has been in the jazz releases.
    If you can't hear the difference, I'm not sure what to say.
     
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  10. jasonsouza77

    jasonsouza77 Vinyl Enthusiast

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    Portland
    around the 49:10 mark, they said all 1 steps were cut from dsd
     
  11. Aleksander86

    Aleksander86 Forum Resident

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    Mexico
    A question about the lists that M. Fremer and M. Esposito made of 100 AAA records, which include several MoFis. Where did they get the information that those records are AAA? The records do not claim to be AAA. Did they assume they were AAA or where did they get that information from?
     
  12. Dougthesnail

    Dougthesnail The Big Gabagool

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    Winnipeg
    I think the point is MoFi is sampling at a very high rate and transferring from a tape. I don't think any streaming platform can come close.
     
  13. DeRosa

    DeRosa Vinyl Forever

    Another question is why did Mofi not reach out to someone as high profile as Fremer, and tell him their records were not AAA if he was mistaken.
    I think we all know the answer to that now.
     
  14. mpayan

    mpayan A Tad Rolled Off

    Some?

    Try the majority. Perhaps go read the posts in the other Mofi release or past threads.

    Do you think Quboz is the same as a Mofi dsd transfer? Try listening to the One Step Abraxas and an original. Get back with me if you can hear digital in the One Step.
     
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  15. Dougthesnail

    Dougthesnail The Big Gabagool

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    Winnipeg
    Everyone assumed.

    It seems MoFi has always had one business model and that is make a good sounding record that everyone can enjoy.

    From 1/2 speed to ANADISQ they seem to use whatever the latest tech is.
     
  16. Otto Konrad

    Otto Konrad Forum Resident

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    Richmond, Virginia
    The engineer is being misleading with the tape machines and the analog mixers. Not a computer or mouse pad in sight. But the worst moment is the line “It’s definitely different than digital”. Ooooffff
     
  17. That would be dumb for people to do that. At least if they actually loved music.
     
  18. paulisme

    paulisme I’m being sarcastic

    Location:
    Charleston SC
    I made some preorders just to cancel them.
     
  19. FWatty

    FWatty Collector of Zuni Fetish Dolls

    Location:
    Fort Worth, Texas
    … and it’s presented in the analog format of vinyl without a need for conversion whereas streaming involves the conversion. Apples to oranges.
     
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  20. Jasonbraswell

    Jasonbraswell Vinylphile

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    Guntersville
    It's been several months since my comparison.
    Main take away is the Mofi was lifeless.
    Original had the crankeable feel to it.
    Sounded more like an 80s rock album.

    Mofi was more in the George McFly sound. Accurate but hesitant.
     
  21. mpayan

    mpayan A Tad Rolled Off

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  22. PATB

    PATB Recovering Vinyl Junkie

    Location:
    SF Bay Area
    ....and AAA pricing, and lack of quality. I have no beef with digital vinyl. Proof: I just spent $100 (actually, discounted by $25!) on GZ-pressed digital vinyl at the VMP store :hide:
     
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  23. Briskit

    Briskit “I don’t know karate, but I know ka-razy!”

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    St Kilda
    A hypothetical question:

    Do you have any Mofi One-steps that you love? That are possibly the best sounding records in your collection?
    If mofi had publicised the digital step from the start, and it had prevented you from buying the above items - would they have done you a favour?
    You may have never heard what turned out to be a favourite record.

    I don't condone some of the one-step literature, which appears to be straight up falsehood.
    But if I were to play devil's advocate, I could give some credit to Mofi for resisting the "AAA" zealotry, trusting their ears, and withholding information that was leading to misinformed decisions by consumers ie: "This is from digital, it will sound inferior."
     
  24. Jasonbraswell

    Jasonbraswell Vinylphile

    Location:
    Guntersville
    I have an original Abraxas for $5. Never was inclined for this Maserati
     
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  25. Clucking

    Clucking Elixir of Life

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    Phoenix, AZ
    Could you please post a screen shot of the email you speak of?
     
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