Speaker Advice (Yes, another one of those…)

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by CatManDude, Nov 24, 2022.

  1. CatManDude

    CatManDude Forum Existent Thread Starter

    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    So a little over a year ago, I purchased a new pair of Klipsch Heresy IV’s that paired very nicely with my McIntosh MC240 tube amp. This past month, I moved into my girlfriend’s house. When I set up the Heresy’s, I could see here cringing. They definitely filled up the space where I put them. My listening space is transitioning from a large loft-style apartment with very high ceilings and large brick walls to a smallish room in a 150 year old Victorian. I’m looking for a good set of small speakers to replace my Heresy IV’s. Their current stand-in’s are a pair of B&W 686’s which sound great, but I know I can do better.

    I’m looking for a good set of bookshelf size speakers to pair with a McIntosh C28/MC240 setup. I predominantly listen to classic jazz, classic rock, and classical guitar on both vinyl and hi-def digital. My budget is sub $3K.

    I’m currently looking at KEF R3’s, Bowers & Wilkins 705 S2’s, Focal ARIA 906’s, Wharfedale Denton’s, and MartinLogan Motion 35XTi’s. I’m open to any suggestions, including vintage.

    Thanks!
     
  2. head_unit

    head_unit Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles CA USA
    Why? Are they actually going on shelves? Or your girlfriend prefers the look of stands over tower speakers? Is a Wharfedale Linton Heritage too big of a "bookshelf"? I really was crazy impressed with the Monitor Audio Silver 300s, and want to hear these babies Monitor Audio Silver 500 7G loudspeaker
    One system we have Focal 936/CC900/SR900. Great but double your budget for the L/R. Not sure the current inflato-price on the MA 500 7g.
    - We did a lot of listening and found we preferred 3-way designs. 2-way can be very nice but let me say as a loudspeaker engineer crossovers always have problems, and spreading them to each side of the vocal range does have advantages.
    - There are a lot of good speakers out there for $3k. Since your opinion counts for nothing, try some that your girlfriend likes the looks of, and then the sound of. This will help the Blissfullness Index. ;) Your ear/brain will get used to whatever you get soon enough, this is called "break in" ha ha.
    - I'm not fond of really ancient designs by and large. The design and production technology has advanced a LOT since the old days.
     
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  3. CatManDude

    CatManDude Forum Existent Thread Starter

    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    LOL. Thanks for the great feedback! The Heresy's were just too big for her. Because of where they were positioned, I had to put them on risers and they ended up filling up a lot of space in her bay window. She likes the look of the cherry B&W bookshelfs on matching cherry stands. While the B&W's sound very good, I figured I could pick up a great pair of small or bookshelf speakers and sell the Heresy's to defray some of the cost. I love the Linton's, but they are only slightly smaller than the Heresy's.
     
  4. Ntotrar

    Ntotrar Forum Resident

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    Tri-Cities TN
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  5. Francois1968

    Francois1968 Forum Resident

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    You could audition the Paradigm Founder 40B, a very elegant and nice looking small ls.
    Personally I do prefer the sound of the older Signature series, but that's a matter of taste.
     
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  6. P3ESRXD

    P3ESRXD Arnaud, still enjoying...with what I have

    Location:
    Montpellier France
    Richard would suggest Audio Note.
    My suggestion is one of those Harbeth XD (C7 would do :agree: or even why not the tiny great sound shoebox P3 :tiphat:).
     
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  7. OhHiMahk

    OhHiMahk The search function is your friend

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    You're making this too difficult. Move back to your own place and ditch the girlfriend. She's already too much trouble and you obviously don't know how to train her.

    Thank me later.
     
  8. hman

    hman Forum Resident

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    Northport, NY
    There are a nice pair of Audio note speakers for sale on this forum's "Hardware for Sale" section. They are priced at less than half of their cost if purchased new. They are also very nice to look at.
     
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  9. Humbuster

    Humbuster Staff Emeritus

    Look for a pair of used Bryston Mini t speakers.
     
  10. Rich-n-Roll

    Rich-n-Roll Forum Resident

    Location:
    Washington State
    If you like the Klipsch sound why not a pair of there bookshelves ?
     
  11. head_unit

    head_unit Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles CA USA
    Which are those? I looked a bit, could not find such. If she likes that I get you feel you might get a better bargain but I'd sure try the thing she likes. Some places (Crutchfield I hear) have inexpensive return shipping if you don't like something. Then, once she's happy, you build custom subs out of 2' diameter concrete former tubes, 7.5' tall...
     
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  12. head_unit

    head_unit Senior Member

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    No no my friend. It's a subtle induction process, beginning with letting her pick speakers she likes...but pushed to one size bigger than her natural preference. Then in comes the subwoofer. Then a second one "for balancing the sound." Then you gift her "even better!!" speakers...which happen to be bigger, or tower versions. Then your uncle (who she never met) dies and leaves you his gigantic and expensive speakers which you couldn't possibly sell or give away as they are a sentimental reminder of great days with your kind uncle in your youth...
     
  13. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago metro, USA
    KEF LS50 Meta and a REL T7i subwoofer.
    The LS50s sound absolutely magical with a tube amp and will play quite loudly despite people thinking it is not a match on paper. Much better sound than the R-series KEFs.
     
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  14. CatManDude

    CatManDude Forum Existent Thread Starter

    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    Unfortunately their standard lineup of speakers doesn't come close to matching their heritage series.
     
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  15. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident

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    you got that right. good thing you realize it.
     
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  16. CatManDude

    CatManDude Forum Existent Thread Starter

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    B&W 686's on aftermarket stands

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  17. Rich-n-Roll

    Rich-n-Roll Forum Resident

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    You've been spoiled
     
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  18. CatManDude

    CatManDude Forum Existent Thread Starter

    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    Life is full of compromises my friends. I'm willing to downsize the speakers, but I drew the line at giving up the cat. He's a total d*****bag, but he's my d*****bag and she's slowly warming up to him...

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  19. Ntotrar

    Ntotrar Forum Resident

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    Tri-Cities TN
    Love the cat!

    Here is a picture of the Watkins generation four.

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  20. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Chicago metro, USA
    impressive specs, real 41Hz bass and 88db efficiency, magnesium tweeter. flat curve. i would like to hear them.
     
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  21. Ntotrar

    Ntotrar Forum Resident

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    Tri-Cities TN
    I plan on buying a pair in black ash. I have only heard them in passing but they sound a lot bigger than they are.
     
  22. head_unit

    head_unit Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles CA USA
    Inquiring minds want to know the cat's opinion on how much difference cables make, and the cause(s) of "break-in"...
     
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  23. The Pinhead

    The Pinhead KING OF BOOM AND SIZZLE IN HELL

    Man up and keep the Heresys.
     
  24. carbonti

    carbonti Forum Resident

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    New York County
    Impossible to Man Up when your name isn’t on the lease or the mortgage or the title of the property.
     
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  25. Inger06

    Inger06 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Oshawa, Canada
    For what it’s worth, my name is the sole owner on our property title, and I still check with my gf when it comes to big purchases, including audio equipment, that are going into living spaces. I guess I’m not “man enough” but I see no issue with the OP’s decision to consider different speakers.

    Also, as much as sound quality matters, aesthetics count too, especially in non-dedicated listening rooms. Nothing wrong with factoring in visual appeal into audio purchases.

    Good luck with your search OP!
     
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