a new hope script v4

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  1. Scowl

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    You can watch the first fifteen minutes and you'll quickly see why the thing is two hours long. He repeats scenes over and over for no reason. He sounds insulted that the original video exists, insulted by every opinion in it, and fills his video with many snappy comebacks like, "Seriously, dude?" and "Wow." He sounds like a huge George Lucas fan.
     
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  2. Scowl

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    In between his smarmy remarks, person opinions, and refusing to understand what the original video was saying, I think the second guy does have some points that the re-edit was more of a collaborative effort and not just Marcia Lucas saving her husband's film and he supports that with quotes from Paul Hirsch. This could have been a good 20 minute video.
     
  3. Simon A

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    What I find so jarring is that the first video is so well put together that it could be used as an example on how to make videos for YouTube while the second could be used as an example on how to never make a video.
     
  4. indigovic

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    Yep. He does, for me at least, present sufficient evidence to prove that the first video has a faulty premise and that the evidence it provides is often misleading or just plain wrong. But the second guy is utterly insufferable, and I couldn’t actually make it all the way through—I bailed at the montage of animals pooping. (Yes, you read that right.)

    My recommendation is that you avoid them both.
     
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  5. Strat-Mangler

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    I see I didn't miss anything after I quit watching at the 28-min mark. I fast-forwarded through a number of parts as there's a lot of repetition with the sole purpose of ridiculing the first video and its author but kept giving the author of the 2nd video chance after chance to rise above the level of petty immature troll. Unfortunately, that was a bar obviously far too high for this guy.

    We have to remember this is a guy who thinks that just because he was at a showing where the audience laughed at a specific point that it automatically means that everyone agrees with that audience's reactions and that it makes those reactions right/correct. It's a weird entitled twisted logic that this guy runs with, with an arrogance and confidence that defies belief, based on little else but a shortsightedness that is only easily surpassed by his narrowmindedness.

    "Insufferable" doesn't begin to describe him. Yikes!
     
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  6. indigovic

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    Luke had one line changed between the May and June mixes. In the Dolby Stereo mix released in May 1977, Luke says “Blast it, Biggs, where are you?” just before Wedge shoots a TIE off Luke’s tail. In the mono mix released in June, this was changed to “Blast it, Wedge, where are you?” Oddly, it appears that all subsequent theatrical and home video releases reverted to the “Biggs” version.
     
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  7. Scowl

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    The first guy definitely messed around with Hirsch's quote making it sound like Mr. Lucas wasn't involved with the re-edit when the complete quote shows that he was. Intentionally misleading. That might explain why the video surprised me so much even though I've read "The Making of Star Wars" several times and didn't recall reading the quote that was in the video.

    The second guy also relied on Lucas's commentaries to support some of his points and those are definitely misleading. For example, Lucas said in one commentary that he wanted the beginning of the film to be like The Hidden Fortress in which two secondary characters wandered around until they found the real protagonist of the film. Yeah, that's how it ended up but every script I've read has included the cuts to Luke watching the space battle from the beginning of the film (have I missed any?) and the similarity to Hidden Fortress is due to the editing. His comments often have that Pee Wee Herman "I meant to do that!" vibe.

    Many of the YouTube comments for the second video are Lucas zealots shaming anyone who dares to criticize the man who made the movie they love! :laugh:
     
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  8. Scowl

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    I believe Hamill said many of the redubs were to make the dialog sound clearer for the mono version and that he couldn't hear how his new dubs sounded any better. It's possible that Lucas didn't either.
     
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  9. darth caedus

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    i thought the droids were the main characters, the greek chorus, if you like, observing the world around them?
     
  10. SmallDarkCloud

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    The droids were indeed inspired by the two villagers at the beginning of Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress, who seem to be the protagonists but end up wandering into the film's main story. Lucas has confirmed this in interviews. There are interesting parallels between the two films (the villagers escort a princess to safety at one point in the film, to point out another similarity).
     
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  11. darth caedus

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    awesome! i need to check this, thanks!
     
  12. Scowl

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    There's always the question of whether Lucas noticed the similarity after the movie was released when people were saying it was a movie for kids. I think I'm going to reread The Making of Star War for the seventh or eighth time to get these facts straight.
     
  13. beccabear67

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    I'd go for the longest version makeable, as an ultimate extended play, just put everything in that can be put in... ideally with some sympathetic Williams or Williams-like music.
     
  14. Strat-Mangler

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    Nearly all of the time, the extended versions or director's cuts as they're sometimes referred to restore material that was best left on the cutting room floor. I have no objections to such a project but IMHO, the deleted scenes add nothing and only bring the moving to a screeching halt.
     
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  15. SmallDarkCloud

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    Lucas is a huge admirer of Kurasawa, and had The Hidden Fortress in mind when he scripted Star Wars ("hidden fortress" = "death star"). It wasn't a coincidence. Lucas has talked about the inspiration many times.

    It is true that Lucas was completely unaware of Joseph Campbell's non-fiction book The Hero With a Thousand Faces, which did not inspire the film at all, until readers of the book pointed out how well the story fit. Keep in mind that Campbell's theory about the hero's journey can be applied to many fantasy and action stories, not just Star Wars.
     
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  16. Scowl

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    Yes, after the movie was edited and released. Like many people Lucas has been known to reshape the past and he spent years working on the script with friends.
     
  17. Vidiot

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    That version has been retyped -- I have an original 4th draft where none of the character names are in bold, which normally is not done for scripts. It's just straight Courier 12.

    The Secret History of Star Wars book I've cited many times has mentioned that Lucas kind of ret-conned his journey to write and direct Star Wars, and later started sprinkling in a mention of Joseph Campbell's 1949 book as a way to legitimize the use of stock legends and fables in storytelling. He sort of has implied that was always his intention, but the reality is he didn't become aware of Campbell until maybe 1979 or so. But Campbell's theories are very good, and the "reluctant hero" and the "wise old man" are certainly standard elements of fiction going back a thousand years.
     
  18. darth caedus

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    lucas, john williams and the book easy riders and raging bulls disagree. they all agree that using campbell helped structure the narrative. personally i trust them over 'secret insider information'
     

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