On another list but not here so I'll add it for the next update... The Human League - Dare - Virgin CDV 2192 - Made in UK Not in TOC, in subcode only.
How does one find/confirm pre emphasis in the subcode? I understand that EAC will identify the pre emphasis if it is in the TOC but not if it is in the subcode as I understand is the case with the Abbey Road black triangle disc.
Read back, there is and old version of EAC (0.96pb3) (pre-beta3) that can scan the subcode. I think there is a link to it a few pages back.
A heads up for XLD users, the latest version added the ability to detect pre-emphasis in the subcode. To see it you need to make sure that the "don't detect pre gap, ISRC and MCN" is UNCHECKED. After opening the CD, go to the File menu and "Save Cue Sheet As...". You should see the "PRE" flags in the cue file if it was detected. Saves me a lot of time as I had to use the old version of EAC in parallels previously. Would be nice if it would show it without saving a cue file, but I'm not complaining that much.
Thanks for this very helpful bit of info - never would've noticed this new feature if you hadn't alerted us to it.
A few of mine with pre-emphasis that I think aren't on the list: Murray Perahia - Mozart - Piano Concertos 17 & 18 - CBS made in Japan by CSR MK 36686 DIDC 50051 Murray Perahia - Mozart - Piano Concertos 15 & 16 - CBS digital made in USA on inner ring MK 37824 DIDC 20025 Murray Perahia - Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 26, K.537, 'Coronation' - CBS digital MK 39224 DIDC 20031 Barenboim - Schubert Symphonies 2 & 8 - CBS Masterworks MK 39676 DIDC 20191
A new edition with "suspected" PE (confirmed by listening-- no flag in the TOC or the subcode): Eric Gale - Ginseng Woman - COL 496854 2 [Black-faced "Master Sound" edition] - Made in Austria - data ring S4968542000-0101 14 A1 Most of the rare Black-face Master Sound series discs that are found today are Japanese pressings, which **do** have PE flags. Apparently this disc was pressed with one of the Japanese masters that did have PE, but was not flagged as such at the mastering stage. (At that late date [1999], the engineers probably weren't expecting to need it...)
New Order: 'Low-life' (FACD 100, made in Japan) New Order: 'Power, Corruption and Lies' (CY-3109/ICY-1219 , made in Japan by Nippon Columbia)* *= strangely enough, New Order's album 'Movement' with the catalogue code CY-3108/ICY-1220 (so a difference of just one figure!) does NOT have pre-emphasis
a few others to add to the list, confirmed by my Meridian 518: Maazel - Wagner - Overtures mk 38699 Marsalis - Marsalis CK 37574 Marsalis - Think of One 35DP-75 Pet Shop Boys - Please CP32-5131
Earth, Wind & Fire, Raise! 35DP 15 has pre-emphasis. iTunes did not recognise it, but adding de-emphasis made the tracks sound the same as on my stereo.
Thanks for the heads up! This is a great feature update - and as far as I know, the only program on Mac that will check subchannel data for pre-emphasis.
I did a re-rip with the new version of XLD and can confirm that the generated cue sheet includes the pre-emphasis flag with every track.
No, losing the ability to read flags from the subcode was collateral damage when removing the ability to read track boundaries ("native TOC") from the subcode. That feature was removed because it could be used to circumvent a form of copy protection. The author of EAC said, at the time: There are alternatives to running an ancient, obscure version of EAC. On Windows you could use CUERipper (part of CUETools) and look for FLAGS PRE in the generated cue sheet after ripping a disc; it gets the info from the subcode. Or on any platform you could run the command-line app cdda2wav (part of cdrtools) with the "-j" option and it will tell you, without ripping first, if & where it found pre-emphasis flags, and whether there is disagreement between the TOC and subcode.
I picked up a copy of Saga - Heads or Tales today. It is Portrait RK 38999. It does not indicate pre-emphasis in the TOC. It does indicated pre-emphasis in the subcode but ONLY for tracks 6-9. Does anyone have the Bon Aire version to compare? Investigating a little further, it does appear that only the last 4 tracks have pre-emphasis. You can see it in the waveforms before applying it, the last 4 tracks are louder than the first 5. An oddity for sure.
And, once you play it correctly, with PE compensation, how is the sound ? Should I seek one out over my original UK Townhouse LP ? The remaster CD was not bad, but the "bonus" 2 tracks were/are driving me nuts...they should relegate stuff like this to a second CD, or leave them out altogether!
There is also 1st Japanese pressing VDP-58 pressing for Dare! That one is most likely unique mastering again but incredibly rare. You can see 32VD-1084 “black triangle” cd from time to time mistakenly considered as 1st press.
Found a US PCD2-5340 with PE in the sub this morning at the thrift, interesting it's the only blue ring I have with it also, is that the date in the matrix 5/88 ?
I just got the WG (Polydor 815 410-2) version of Saga - Heads or Tales and it has pre-emphasis indicated on all tracks. They are completely different masterings, no levels match either before or after de-emphasis.
UPDATE Al DiMeola - Electric Rendezvous - 35DP 30 Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Asia - S/T - 35DP 25 Barbra Streisand - Guilty - 35DP 7 Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits Volume 2 - 35DP 161 Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were - CK 32801/DIDP-20056 Barenboim - Schubert Symphonies 2 & 8 - CBS Masterworks MK 39676 DIDC 20191 Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label], (1989 European; Linn/Virgin LXHCD2) Big Audio Dynamite - This Is Big Audio Dynamite CDCBS 26714 Billy Joel - 52nd St. - 35DP 1 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US, crude font matrix) Billy Joel - The Stranger - 35DP 2 (crude font matrix) Billy Joel - Glass Houses - 35DP 18 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Songs In The Attic - 35DP 19 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain - 35DP 34 (crude font matrix) Billy Joel - Piano Man - CDCBS 80719 Japan for Europe with 35DP 109 in the matrix Billy Joel - Piano Man - CK 32544 Columbia USA "The Nice Price" Black Sabbath (All) CLACD and NELCDs have it Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (Creative Sounds) Bob Dylan - Real Live - Columbia CK 39944 - Made in Japan - matrix 32DP-196 11 +++++ CSRx3 Bob Dylan - Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits - CBS - CK 9463 / DIDP 50099 - Matrix: 35DP-99 41A1 Boston - Don't Look Back - Epic/Sony 35.8P-7 - Matrix: 35 8P-7-6 1A1 “Gold-Face” pressing / (not Epic EK 35050) Boz Scaggs - Middle Man - 35DP 3 Boz Scaggs - Hits! - 35DP 11 Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees - 35DP 20 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Chess - RCA PCD2-5340 - RCA/Victor Made in Japan Coil - Horse Rotorvator (ROTA CD1) The Cramps - A Date With Elvis Deep Purple - Machine Head EMI UK CDP 7 46242 2 The Digital Domain: A Demonstration - Elektra 9 60303-2 - some tracks Dire Straits - Alchemy - 818 244-2 and 818 245-2 Earth, Wind & Fire - Raise! - 35DP 15 Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery - 35DP 24 / Austria, epic 450083 2/ JET-500 11 / Jet ZK 35769 Japan Electric Light Orchestra - Secret Messages - 35DP 72 / ZK38490 A Flock Of Seagulls - S/T - Jive/RCA US 1007-2-J Genesis - Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Genesis - "Land of Confusion" single - Virgin SNEG 3 12 Gigi D'Agostino - L'Amour Toujours II - ZYX 20714-2 Go-Go's - Talk Show - 35DP 146 The Human League - Dare - Virgin CDV 2192 - UK The Jacksons - Destiny - EK35552 The Jacksons - Triumph - CDEPC 86112 (CSR Japan-for-Europe) / EK36424 ("Now Made In The USA") John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola, Paco De Lucia - Friday Night In San Francisco - 35DP-9 / matrix: 35DP-9-2 1A2 “Gold-Face” pressing Howard Jones - Human's Lib - Elektra 9 60346-2/WEA 2 40335-2 - Japan for US Jeff Beck - There And Back - 35·8P-5 Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery - CDP 32 1082-2 Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast - CCD 1380 Jethro Tull - This Was - CDP 32 1041 2 / Chrysalis CCD-1041 - Matrix "CCD-1041 MASTERED BY NIMBUS" Jethro Tull - Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Journey - Escape - 35DP 6 / CBS CK37408, matrix DIDP 050006 Journey - Frontiers - CBS CK38504 DIDP50045 Kim Carnes - Mistaken Identity - CP35-3018 Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Lionel Richie - S/T - Mowtown MCD06007MD - Made in Japan Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Maazel - Wagner - Overtures mk 38699 Marsalis - Marsalis CK 37574 Marsalis - Think of One 35DP-75 Mark Knopfler - Cal - Vertigo 822 769-2 Masters of Classical Music, Vol. 2: Johann Sebastian Bach (Laserlight 15 802) tracks 5,6,10,14 Men At Work - Business As Usual - 35·8P-15 Men At Work - Cargo - CK 38660 (U.S) and 35 8P-16 (both have PE) Michael Jackson - Off the Wall - Epic/Sony Records ESCA 5407 made in Japan Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982 Epic/CBS CDEPC 85930 (DI8P-11); matrix: 35 8P-11 111A2 +++++ Miles Davis - Agharta - 50DP 237~8 Miles Davis - Pangaea - 50DP 239~40 Miles Davis - the later 50DP 7xx series Miles Davis do not have PE Miles Davis - The Man With The Horn - 35DP 16 Miles Davis - Star People - 35DP 55 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - Someday My Prince WIll Come - 35DP 64 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Four and More - 35DP 66 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE Miles Davis - Decoy - 35DP 170 does not have PE Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 32VD-1010, Japanese “Black Triangle” Matrix:32VD-1010 11+++++ (Sony) Murray Perahia - Mozart - Piano Concertos 17 & 18 - CBS made in Japan by CSR MK 36686 DIDC 50051 Murray Perahia - Mozart - Piano Concertos 15 & 16 - CBS digital made in USA on inner ring MK 37824 DIDC 20025 Murray Perahia - Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 26, K.537, 'Coronation' - CBS digital MK 39224 DIDC 20031 The Mystic Moods / Renée Hamaty: Stormy Memories - Bainbridge BCD-6284 Nena - 99 Luftballoons - Epic EK39294 - Manufactured in Japan. Matrix 35 8P-42 11A1 New Order - Low Life -FACD 100 - Nimbus UK / Japan for UK New Order - Power, Corruption and Lies - CY-3109 / ICY-1219 - made in Japan by Nippon Columbia Nick Lowe - Pinker And Prouder Than Previous (1988 Demon Records, UK; FIEND CD 99) Norma Procter (contralto)/LSO/Jascha Horenstein -Mahler: Symphony 3 - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark- Architecture & Morality, CDID12, part of the UK Virgin box of three OMD titles Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet - CDP 7 46018 2 / Columbia CK39613 (Made in Japan, 18 tracks) Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CP35-3001 Japanese black triangle (not black face or Japan->US) Pet Shop Boys - Please - US CDP-546271 and CDP 7 46271 2 / CP32-5131 Philip Bailey - Chinese Wall - Columbia CK39542 USA Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - 35DP 4 - 2 tracks Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - CP35-3017 Pink Floyd - The Wall - 50DP 361~2 / CK2 and related masterings Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - 35DP 53 Police - Synchronicity - 38XB-2 (10 track) The 11-track 38XB-2 does not have PE Quarterflash - S/T - Japanese target pressing. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity - 35·8P-4 Roger Waters - Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking - 35DP 149 Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) / US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290) The Romantics - In Heat - Nemperor ZK 38880 (35DP matrix) / also US DADC Silvio Rodríguez - Al Final de Este Viaje Saga - Heads or Tales - Bon Aire 258 477 / Polydor 815 410-2 Saga - Heads or Tales - Portrait RK 38999 - Japan - tracks 5-9 only Santana - Shango - 35DP 23 Carlos Santana - Havana Moon - CBS/Sony 35DP 56 Santana - Abraxas - 35DP 58 Santana - Beyond Appearances - CK39527 She's Having a Baby - OST Simon & Garfunkel - The Simon And Garfunkel Collection - 35DP 13 and CDCBS 24005 Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water - CBS/Sony 35DP-14, Matrix: 35DP-14 1 1B4 “Gold-Face” pressing The Smiths - Hatful Of Hollow - 32JC-129 (Japan CSR) T Bone Burnett - T Bone Burnett (1986 Dot/MCA Records MCAD-5809) Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Southern Accents - MCAD-5486 (JVC Japan-for-USA) Toto - Turn Back - 35DP 5 Toto - IV - 35DP 12 Toto - Hydra - 35DP 42 Toto - Isolation - Japan for Europe - CDCBS 86305 Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux - Polydor 831 503-2 Velvet Underground - VU Weather Report - 8:30 - 50DP 133~4
