2016 Paul McCartney compilation album - "Pure McCartney" *

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  1. toptentwist

    toptentwist Forum Resident

    Houston, TX
    A long time back I tried to create a comprehensive "mix tape" that was my way of spanning Paul's who career.

    I don't think I ever finished what I started - but my basic idea was to group songs with similar instrumentation together - and to not worry if I wandered into Beatle territory in places... in essence, a collection that would never be released.

    I didn't even restrict my "mix tape" from using "extra curricular" efforts where the song was released by another artist.

    I think I started with "I'm The Urban Spaceman" and wandered quickly into "Cosmically Conscious" after a track with Donovan, probably "Atlantis", maybe "Mellow Yellow"... I'm not even sure anymore that "Atlantis" or "Mellow Yellow" qualifies as a track that involves Paul - but I remember thinking for years that it was Paul singing backing vocals on those two songs- so they were always "Paul" tracks in my mind.

    It's easy to see why I never finished the project... just too much music to curate.
  2. Marry a Carrot

    Marry a Carrot Interesting blues gets a convincing reading.

    Los Angeles
    Paul McCartney has sent a consistent message that he thinks Wings began with the Ram sessions despite the Wings name first appearing on Wild Life.

    "Little Woman Love," "Get On The Right Thing," and "Little Lamb Dragonfly" were all credited to Wings despite being recorded for Ram. "Another Day" and "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" appeared on Wings Greatest. "Too Many People" was dedicated to the Wings fans.

    I don't think any of this is an accident. It's how McCartney sees Wings.

    The mystery is why literal-minded fans never say "My Love," "Band on the Run," "Jet," and "Junior's Farm" should have been left off Wings Greatest because they are by Paul McCartney and Wings rather than Wings.
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  3. the sands

    the sands Forum Resident

    Oslo, Norway
    I would love a collaboration and guest appearence compilation. They did it with Robert Wyatt in 2014 to coincide with his autobiography. Disc 1: Wyatt solo and in bands. Disc: 2: guest appearances and collaboartions. I think it's an 'untold story' of McCartney music and something he has been doing since the Tony Sheridan recordings. Musically diverse from brass band music with The Black Dyke Mills Band on "Thingumybob" to "FourFiveSeconds". Lots of cool stuff. :cool:
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  4. Clanceman

    Clanceman Forum Resident

    Portland, Or
    I ordered the Paul Simon porn. Do I need this box? What say you.
  5. toptentwist

    toptentwist Forum Resident

    Houston, TX

    FWIW, the following Motown mutations have cause all kind of sorting headaches in my Itunes library

    The Miracles -> Smokey Robinson & The Miracles -> Smokey Robinson (without the Miracles) -> The Miracles (without Smokey)

    The Supremes -> Diana Ross and the Supremes -> Diana Ross and the Supremes with The Temptations -> Diana Ross (solo) -> The Supremes (without Diana Ross) -> The Supremes (without Diana) plus The Four Tops

    Martha and the Vandellas -> Martha Reeves and the Vandellas

    What I tend to do is be strict about using what was printed on the original release for the "Artist" and then come up with a mechanism to keep all of the stuff that seems to belong belong together sorted using a common "Sort Artist" tag.

    For example, "Band On the Run" would be "artist" = "Paul McCartney & Wings" but sort artist would be "McCartney, Paul"
    "Back to the Egg" would be "artist" = "Wings" but sort artist would still be "McCartney, Paul"

    Compilations allow some freedom to double classify a song... for example - the new McCartney box set will have "artist" = "Paul McCartney" because that's what it says on the box... but the same track might sit in the middle of an album with a different credit.
    For, example "Girlfriend" on the new box set would have "artist" = Paul McCartney, but the same track would have "artist" = "Wings" somewhere else in the library (when I get around to ripping the upcoming "London Town" remaster - after its released). The penalty is I have the same song in my library twice... not too big a deal for a library with almost 50,000 songs in it.

    For what it's worth, I always sort "Martha Reeves & The Vandellas" under "M" ("sort artist" = "Martha and the Vandellas" ). Only a solo album from the seventies by Martha Reeves would get sorted under "Reeves".... I seem to remember her having a Richard Perry produced album from 73... which is how she ended up on Ringo's self titled solo album from the same era.
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  6. supermd

    supermd Forum Resident

    San Jose, CA
    Wrong forum. :hide:
  7. toptentwist

    toptentwist Forum Resident

    Houston, TX
    Very much agreed.

    Maybe I'll take another stab at it after I get more of his music ripped.

    I'd love to include something from that 1966 Haley Mills movie soundtrack. I love some of the McGear tracks too.
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  8. Thrillington

    Thrillington McCartney Scholar

    Cardiff, Wales, UK
    Must've missed that release. :eek:
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  9. Clanceman

    Clanceman Forum Resident

    Portland, Or
    Lol - sometimes inside jokes can go too far.

    Ya know, I'm just ordering this cd box and not debating in my mind any further. I'd get the vinyl, but looks like I'd miss a 20+ tracks.
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  10. Mine is out for delivery (LPs). We don't need anything. I collect these.

    The Simon is on heavy rotation in the Mazzy household
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  11. edenofflowers

    edenofflowers A New Stereophonic Sound Spectacular!

    Got the set today (4cd only) and it's a nice looking package. Some of the photos in the booklet have a gold/bronze tone to them and it's a nice solid feeling 'book'. I won't be listening until later but I'm looking forward to hearing the newly remastered 'archive era' tunes from Wild Life, etc but particularly Flaming Pie and BTTE.

    Now let's get that Flowers Archive set out, eh Paul?
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  12. toptentwist

    toptentwist Forum Resident

    Houston, TX
    I find it interesting that you mentioned Sheridan.

    I used to scream from the hilltops that Paul seems to have done some incognito bass work for Sheridan that is never credited.

    But I eventually found out that there was another bass player (forget his name right now) that who is normally credited for the songs I thought McCartney was on... who also played a Hoffner bass - and more or less - was the inspiration for Paul to buy his own Hoffner.

    That kind of let me drop the ghost about Paul doing uncredited guest bass with Sheridan...

    But I have not stop wondering about an apparent Lennon/McCartney composition called "The Pin Wheel Twist" that was supposedly part of the Beatles stage act.

    Sheridan did a song called "Top Ten Twist" (the origin of my screen name here)... I'd love to somehow find out if Sheridan's song resembles the Lennon/McCartney composition... only people who saw them live circa 1962 would be able to recognize the Lennon/McCartney song. I don't think a snippet has ever been identified on a rehearsal tape.... Mark Lewisohn reported on it when he published his first book (which was basically put together by talking to people who saw the Fabs live).

    A possible song theft is a little different than a possibly errant bass guitar credit.

    A google search, revealed the other Hoffner owner's name: Colin M.

    Tony Sheridan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia »

    I abbreviated his name here because I've seen it spelled different elsewhere.
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  13. Clanceman

    Clanceman Forum Resident

    Portland, Or
    :righton: - I'm in. Looking forward to all.
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  14. Zeki

    Zeki Forum Resident

    Not being anywhere near the front of the class when it comes to McCartney scholarship, I gotta say I'm impressed with this 4 CD collection. This really showcases the breadth of his songwriting. The vast majority is very familiar but I have absolutely no idea what We All Stand Together is...or where it's from. A children's movie soundtrack?

    And I don't know Good Times Coming/Feel the Sun. At first listen not my cup of tea but still seems well crafted.
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  15. Lots of haters here for that one but I quite like it. From an animation. Google and watch it. I'm also a huge fan of Mull of Kintyre. Many here dislike that too.
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  16. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged

    Boise, ID.
    In fairness to the marketing guys (or gals), Paul himself uses the phrase "long and winding career" in his introduction...
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  17. Zeki

    Zeki Forum Resident

    It clashes, I think, with the rest of the flow, but taken individually to showcase an animation song, maybe it fits. In terms of really giving an in depth look at all his compositional talents.

    Mull of Kintyre: I heard that for the first time on Wingspan. Was less than impressed initially (by the song) but hugely impressed to find out how well it had done in the UK. Decided it must be very nation specific. It's grown on me a bit as at least I don't lunge for the skip button anymore!
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  18. Fivebyfive

    Fivebyfive Forum Resident

    East coast, US
    As I await delivery (!) I just listened to the NPR interview. It's about 30 minutes and it's good. I wish it had been an hour.

    Paul McCartney On Songwriting: 'You Never Get It Down' »

    They played snippets of his songs between the conversation and it was great to hear a real mix -- of course Band on the Run and Live and Let Die but also snippets of Sing the Changes and Jenny Wren and New and Listen to What the Man Said. And for once the Beatles references were hardly present. One mention of John. The radio hosts liked the Fireman so they talked at length about those albums. And Paul also gave a more detailed answer than usual about Jenny Wren and where he wrote that song and what the lyrics mean.

    It was so refreshing to hear him actually talk about Fireman and recent songs in detail. Rather than general questions about songwriting, the trick seems to be to ask him a specific question about a specific song or album. Good interview.
  19. supermd

    supermd Forum Resident

    San Jose, CA
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  20. toptentwist

    toptentwist Forum Resident

    Houston, TX
    "We All Stand Together" did very well on the UK charts as a single in 1984. Unlike "Mulligan's Tires" it was not even released by his US label.

    My memory is "We All Stand Together" got stuck behind the charity Christmas single "Feed The World (Do They Know It's Christmas?)"

    But that was purely from looking at charts that I think were printed in Rolling Stone. I didn't live in Europe.

    I remember seeing the short cartoon when I went to a theater to see the Broad Street film.

    I hated the feature length film. I loved the little short cartoon so much I refused to leave the theater and sat there a second time through the long film just to catch the short cartoon again.

    It was kind of wierd - because I was at the theater bright and early for the first matinee showing on a Friday afternoon. I may have cut a class in college that day or just was lucky enough that my schedule allowed me to leave early on Friday. My memory is the cartoon played AFTER the feature - and I accidentally happened to see it because I'm the type who stays until the end of credits.

    That's how I was forced to sit through the long film a second time.

    I'm not sure how the theater was sent the two films... maybe as separate reels and the theater controlled the sequence.

    The full film can be purchased on home video. It's longer than just the song... there's a 5 or 6 minute pre-amble to the song that helps set the stage. I believe I read a note once by someone who found an old Rupert book in an attic and the short film was the exact narrative as found in the book - with probably just a short description of singing - but no actual tune...

    I know I got home late for dinner that evening and I sounded exactly like Rupert excitedly trying to tell him mother about this wonderous thing he had witnessed - and my mom was like "you're lucky I kept some food warm for you..."
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  22. toptentwist

    toptentwist Forum Resident

    Houston, TX
    I had a similar VHS - but the DVD is much better. It has a new song "Tropic Island Hum" and a very interesting special feature about how Paul keeps a few talented animators on staff - apparently hoping that he can build a little successful animation studio.

    Looking at the DVD description on Amazon, it has two songs that the old VHS didn't and it seems to be missing two songs too... but not sure about that.

    The VHS had two Linda songs "Seaside Woman" and a Band on the Run era song (The Oriental Nightfish) that is on the Linda solo album Paul released posthumously... that last song has some adult swim type cartoon nude images and I think he got some complaints... the easy solution was to never play the tape to the end when showing it to children.

    I remember Paul mentioning in an interview I saw during the "Wings Over America" tour that his dream/ambition was to make a full length animated film that would live on as long as some of the Disney classics. I seem to remember him talking about Thumper from Bambi as a character he hoped to emulate.

    Years later, I found out that Paul was writing songs for a potential animated film as early as the Jan 1969 Beatle rehearsals... one of the songs from the unreleased late 70s Rupert demo album he made with the last incarnation of Wings (easily found on bootleg) shows up somewhere during the Jan 69 rehearsal tapes... its not obvious (its an instrumental)... but it's there.
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  23. OobuJoobu

    OobuJoobu Forum Resident

    Leeds, UK
    I've been through the track list of the 4CD set, and specifically made some notes on just those songs where I thought there might be some significant difference to what I already had (apart from just changes in volume compared to the originals, e.g. to the Memory Almost Full songs, to make them more consistent throughout). This is mainly so that I can see what to keep in iTunes, as I'm not keen on duplication.

    One thing worth noting is that on the 70s albums that haven't had the Archive treatment yet, there is significantly less noise/hiss reduction applied to the "Pure" songs than on the equivalents from the 1993 collection.

    Anyway, for anyone interested, here's the notes I made when comparing* these particular songs to the versions I already had-


    *My ears are like my opinions (my own).
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    wingsdgm Active Member

    portland ,oregon
    no I tried them ..only on line
  25. wingsdgm

    wingsdgm Active Member

    portland ,oregon
    or me PM you back
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