Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by chasingwildcat, Feb 10, 2024.
It wasn't just that but a series of incidents with her.
I think Cheap Trick was an extremely dubious induction, but I don't think this is quite fair; they have four platinum studio albums and six top 40 hits not including Budokan, vs. one and three for Frampton.
The Hall website used to (maybe still does?) include a tab with induction criteria. Sales wasn't one of them.
See next post, after yours, regarding sales.
Best point of the day.
Don't mean to pick on you in particular, but I find this line of reasoning frustrating—of course any band mentioned in this thread has a fan base and some good recognition within certain groups/demographics/communities. That's clearly not the same thing as widespread cultural recognition. (Not saying such recognition is necessary to being worthy, but it's certainly a contributing factor.)
Sometimes I think threads about HOF snubs/omissions/nominees would be more interesting if people could only argue FOR bands they don't personally like, and AGAINST bands that they're fans of. At least would require some effort to consider the question "objectively."
I was responding specifically the the point that Cheap Trick set the precedent for inducting Frampton based on a single mega-hit live album plus "a bunch of nothing"—I wasn't arguing that CT were worthy of induction based on their sales, just trying to say that they're not really equivalent in terms of "one-album-wonder" status.
(Of course, some one-album inductees HAVE been almost universally accepted as worthy: Sex Pistols, Robert Johnson, and so forth.)
Another year and another Frank Sidebottom snub. I shouldn't care but I do! Blimey.
I don't think there's much objective on this entire subject, lol! As far as LF. their time frame for greatness (mark 2) was (imo) 72-78. So once again, age plays a big role. The one that still blows me away is Steppenwolf. At "their time" (1968-1970) they were HUGE; both in sales & importance. By 1975, they were forgotten, though John Kay & a new band released some ok music & a great live album (Live In London).
Analogue Productions did somewhat recently release a limited audiophile SACD & Vinyl mastering of their first (somewhat lame) greatest hits LP, "Gold".
Fortunately, Universal released their entire core catalog (Other then "Live"; imo the best of the bunch) in 192/24 in 2015.
Many of us felt that Born To Be Wild (or possibly Summertime Blues by the mediocre Blue Cheer) was the first metal song.
Yes, but I'm discussing non-rock artists who were inducted as "Performers" from the 50s/60s.
Bunches of them who weren't even vaguely "rock 'n' roll" but people defend them in the Rock Hall while they whine that later non-rock artists don't pass their strict definition.
Well, it's not a "fact" because we have no clue what her life would've been.
She got with Sonny and had success but that doesn't mean Cher might not've had a good career anyway.
You can speculate but it's not a "fact".
No. No sales requirement of any sort.
No one ever said we "need" the Rock Hall.
We don't "need" any hall of fame.
We don't "need" this forum either - should we shut it down?
You've been on the SHF long enough to know some folks wear their ignorance of particular musical genres - as well as any artists who started after 1982 - with bizarre and perverse pride.
Any thread about a newer artist and some schmoe will inevitably post "who?" because they think it makes them "cool" to be out of the loop.
I am largely out of the loop for newer music - and I'm fine with that. But I don't think it means I'm superior to those who know/like those artists.
I'd leave it up to someone else. It'd be a massive undertaking!
I don't defend them. And they should be using the early influences section for early jazz, blues, pre 1965 pop & 50's r&b.
Cab Calloway has been on all my why aren't they lists. I am definitely thinking early influences there. Without CC, there may not have been a James Brown. And without Brown (& Sly), would there have been Prince?
First sensible thing he’s said in years if so.
He’s a gobby twat and would end up picking fights with anyone that looked at him in a way he didn’t like.
Gonna disagree that those songs are known to the GP. You're talking 45+ year old songs from a band that never had major success - they wouldn't have been all that well known then much less now.
And platinum is good but not huge - not in that era.
Platinum wasn't some amazing feat. It wasn't a little feat, but it wasn't "huge".
Little Feat were a moderately popular band in the 70s and that was it.
I don't care what you're arguing. The 'bunch of nothing" remark didn't come from me anyway. Incidentally, Frampton was more than a "one album wonder."
Seeing as though you're on an audiophile website. The Intervention Records (its owner, Shane, posts here) provided an excellent reassessment of 3 pre-FCA studio albums on vinyl and SACD. During that original period, he did have a cult following, certainly no "wonder" even then.
With the live album, as short-lived as it was, he was the biggest act on the planet at the time. He also received consideration to join The Rolling Stones and The Who as lead guitarist. You've probably heard of them. Granted, Humble Pie was not part of his solo work but still part of his career and story. In 1969, they weren't too far removed from what The Jeff Beck Group and Led Zeppelin were doing.
After nearly hitting rock bottom, he managed to regain some stature and continue a steady touring schedule for several years, while maintaining respect from his peers. Probably more being missed, but those are some of the reasons he was nominated.
Suspect we could find questionable inductees prior to CT, but yeah - they are pretty comparable to Frampton in that their legacy is largely tied up in one live album.
Though CT had more success outside of that live album than Frampton did.
Pete really squandered a chance to be a major star for years due to some terrible decisions circa 1977-78.
See post, directly above yours for more.
Look, I'm not arguing against a Little Feat induction. I'm neutral on that topic - maybe they deserve it, maybe they don't.
But I do argue against the notion they were a big huge popular band in the 70s.
As noted, they didn't sell tons of records and they never played genuinely large venues.
None of this means I think LF weren't a quality band.
But they weren't Big Honkin' Huge Stars.
I wouldn't argue against what you say. But as noted, it is a Hall of Fame, and that means not every inductee is gonna be especially innovative or creative.
Journey and Foreigner seem pretty meh to me but they were hugely successful - and Journey still draws a good crowd!
After I fell in love (at the age of 17 or 18) with FCA, I purchased the original vinyl of Shawn's box. Honestly, I didn't like them, & do not own them today. The live arrangements for me were like light compared to the MEH of the studio arrangements.
Humble Pie is another story, but as other's have pointed out, that had more to do with Steve Marriott than Frampton.
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