300B Amps - Are they really the best?

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by zeitlos, Sep 3, 2022.

  1. head_unit

    head_unit Senior Member

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    Los Angeles CA USA
    Are the front baffles angled compared to the sides? Or does it just look like it?
    I was thinking those speakers are expensive...until I started thinking what it would cost me to DIY something like that. With rectangular more plain cabinets, maybe less. With that level of cabinetry, it would probably cost as much or more.
     
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  2. jusbe

    jusbe Modern Melomaniac

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    Auckland, NZ.
    Unison Research Max 2 Horn Speakers
     
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  3. Larry I

    Larry I Senior Member

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    Those Unison Research speakers look interesting. They appear to be an update of two-way horn systems like some Altec designs. I like many speakers that employ woofers with pleated fabric or paper surrounds like these woofers. Does anyone know what is behind the horn-is it a compression driver?
     
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  4. P3ESRXD

    P3ESRXD Arnaud, still enjoying...with what I have

    Location:
    Montpellier France
    Untill now, exactly untill yesterday, I wanted to try out amp with 300B or 2A3 tubes, collecting infos in the Wide Web Net for long,

    but hearing my "modest" two tube amps * I have with what goes well with them, I don't want 300B/2A3 anymore for "trying out".
    This would destroy (maybe ?) the balanced gear I was after for quite long time.

    Then for days, weeks or months to come, I will enjoy my "balanced systems" with pleasure, so good for a while.

    * all local made, one with EL34 and one with EL84

    ...
    note (for myself :cool: ) :
    some weeks ago, when I got hooked by my pair of P3, going to order the C7, talking with my hifi dealer, he toll me some customers changed their minds
    having the 300B amps and bigger speakers (sake of efficiency) sold for small SS or tube amp to drive Harbeth smaller speakers.

    ...
    second hand in this shop (maybe nothing related to former customers),
    300B preamp + 300B amp SE/PP Manley for a mere €9,000
    [​IMG]
    +
    Manley Neo-Classic SE/PP 300B — Manley Laboratories, Inc.
     
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  5. Classic Car Guy

    Classic Car Guy - Touch The Face Of God -

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    Thanks for the info.. I gotta try horn low frequency in the future. My question is... If I use a horn style bass, would it affect or minimize the output of the 100hz and below frequency of the speakers?
    But yes when I added a horned tweeter speaker in my 300b setup, I'm experiencing a newer more pleasant 300b 3D sound world. I just love the sound of it especially if positioned correctly in a bit of distance. Distance or not, youll hear the big difference right away just from the speaker itself. WoW!
    .... I also heard a 2A3 in the pacific audio fest. That amp has a very clear natural sound. It sounds like a whole different ballgame between the 300b.
     
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  6. Classic Car Guy

    Classic Car Guy - Touch The Face Of God -

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    I heard there are amps today that you can switch 2a3 and 300b via switch on the same amp. Regardless they have the same tube wirings with the lower voltage in the 2A3.
     
  7. Ampexed

    Ampexed Forum Resident

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    Different horn low frequency cabinets will have different low frequency cutoffs, but generally horns will have less bass extension than a direct radiator on a equal cabinet size basis. That's the price of efficiency. The Klipsch La Scala for instance goes down to 50Hz. So you will need to use a subwoofer or two to fill out the rest of the low end.

    The 2A3 is even more sweet and liquid than the 300B which is why I use it for the high frequency part of my system. The high frequency horn has 107dB/w sensitivity, so the 2.5 watts from the amp is more than enough to slam the room.
     
  8. Ampexed

    Ampexed Forum Resident

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    The filament on the 2A3 is 2.5 volts, while the 300B is 5 volts.
     
  9. Classic Car Guy

    Classic Car Guy - Touch The Face Of God -

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    Okay that's great to know. So using a horn lower frequency requires subs....
    sweet.
     
  10. Classic Car Guy

    Classic Car Guy - Touch The Face Of God -

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    I thought its a speaker box...:goodie:
     
  11. P3ESRXD

    P3ESRXD Arnaud, still enjoying...with what I have

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    Montpellier France
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  12. Classic Car Guy

    Classic Car Guy - Touch The Face Of God -

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    If you can get a 300b amp with 4-8 ohms speaker output, that would be a plus unless youre settling for an 8 or 6 ohms speaker. On the klipsch, I enjoy running it in 4 ohms tap. But on the jbl and Rauna the 8 ohms sounds more appealing.
     
  13. zeitlos

    zeitlos Music was my first love Thread Starter

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    Having read your valuable input so far (thank you very much again), I decided to give 300B a try and bought a second hand FEZZ Mira Ceti for 1600,- Euro. So really cheap for 300B. But it seems bo e a (very?) good product, given the praise it got both from official reviewers and owners in forums.

    I think I can’t really go wrong with this one to get a first taste. :)
     
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  14. zeitlos

    zeitlos Music was my first love Thread Starter

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    I think you can see the answer here in this review. There’s a picture: Unison Research MAX-2
     
  15. theflattire

    theflattire Forum Resident

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    looks good!
    Let us know how it goes. The toroids are interesting.
     
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  16. zeitlos

    zeitlos Music was my first love Thread Starter

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  17. zeitlos

    zeitlos Music was my first love Thread Starter

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    Germany
  18. Classic Car Guy

    Classic Car Guy - Touch The Face Of God -

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    Congratulations with the new amp. Should be a great new world for you. Do you have a matching high sensitivity input speaker?
    I remember when I hooked up my first 300b. I was listening to the Mr. X - Ultravox. At the end of the song he was whispering the lyrics and I thought it was something else. Besides it was dark and 1:30 am. I jumped out of my seat like a scared rabbit.... The 3D holographic sound got me really good and I though it was real. :doh:
    Welcome to the 300b world.............:shtiphat:
     
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  19. bamaaudio

    bamaaudio Forum Resident

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    They are fine with the right speakers. A lot of people get way too ocd in the audiophile bubble and I was one of them. It's kind of funny to read all the buzzword descriptions people have used over the years like lush, bloom, air, sparkle, romantic, etc. No longer use tubes and my hearing's deteriorated quite a bit compared to when I was a big tube fan in my 20s, but my favorites may have been EL-34 which had a pretty good ratio of power and enjoyable sound signature. I didn't like having to listen to specific styles of music such as chamber or go with particular speakers like horns that worked well with lower watt SET amps. 300B will at least give a little more headroom compared to say 2A3. Speaking of, some of the tubes have really gone up in price compared to when I was in the market for them.
     
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  20. zeitlos

    zeitlos Music was my first love Thread Starter

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    Thank you! I’m really excited :) My speakers should do I think/hope: 300B Amps - Are they really the best?

    Still I think that my Simply Italy is hard to beat even though it’s ECC82 + EL34, but we will see :)
     
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  21. jonwoody

    jonwoody Tragically Unhip

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    Car Guy there's like 5 pics of his speakers and 20 posts about them try and keep up my friend. ;) And @zeitlos congrats on your amp looks interesting with toroid opts I hope it sounds amazing with your Max 2's!
     
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  22. Classic Car Guy

    Classic Car Guy - Touch The Face Of God -

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    Ooops right on. :-plnktn-:
     
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  23. P3ESRXD

    P3ESRXD Arnaud, still enjoying...with what I have

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    Montpellier France
  24. zeitlos

    zeitlos Music was my first love Thread Starter

    Location:
    Germany
    Yes, only three months old :) I will keep you informed. Just picked it up.
     
  25. Daedalus

    Daedalus I haven't heard it all.....

    I have not heard amps with the 300b tube. I do have a very simple 2A3 single-ended amplifier which was built by Handmade. I prefer using it with my Omega Super 3 single-driver speakers. In fact, I am listening to it now playing some opera recorded in 1950 at the Bolshoi. It sounds fresh, immediate and clear with great tonal qualities. It works with the Lascalas as well but I think( contrary to general opinion) those speakers sound better with more power even though they will work with 2.5 watts per channel. BTW-I am using Sovtek 2A3 tubes right now but I have some vintage RCA black plates in my stash.
     
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