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DCC Archive Abbey Road-UHQR test pressing CDR itch

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Dr. Winston, Nov 8, 2001.

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  1. Unknown

    Unknown Guest

    I think the concern is more with the USPS. Unless Steve is moonlighting there.
     
  2. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    True...although I'd suggest UPS. *NOT* FedEX...
     
  3. cvila

    cvila Forum Resident

    Location:
    USA
    I'm a little surprised reading on more than one thread that a number of first generation CDs (i.e. mid 1980s)are prefered. I thought common wisdom held the A to D conversion of those machines and subpar tapes really f'ed up the releases. I can buy that the Japanese Abbey Road is superior, but the RCA Bowies?
     
  4. Andrew

    Andrew Chairman of the Bored

    I understood it that the problem folks have with newer discs is not the A-D conversion but the extreme compression, maxed-out levels and processing used thesedays. :cool:
     
  5. vinylrec

    vinylrec Senior Member

    Location:
    Delaware, Ohio
    I remember reading post on one of the Beach Boys newsgroups from Mark Linett. He had motioned that A to D conversion has come along ways since the original BB twofers were mastered in 1990. He contributed the new and improved sound of the new reissued twofers to modern A/D conversion. I agree that the new twofers sound better, but is the improved sound from the D/A conversion, or the lack of no-noise, or both. Linett said he used the same tapes from 1990. If you listen to the original import “Aftermath” CD, that CD sounds beautiful and that used ancient A/D conversion technology. I’m not sure what I’m getting at, but there seems to be a lot of great sounding ‘80s CDs, with ancient A/D technology…
     
  6. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    The A/D converter DCC has used since 1987 has been a Wadia, tweaked like hell. It always sounded amazing. It still does.

    Give me a CD from the 1980's any day. Chances are, compared to the no-noised, compressed and EQ'd nasty "remasters" out there today, the old stuff will sound pretty good to you in all the ways we have learned about on this forum! ;)
     
  7. Unknown

    Unknown Guest

    For the benefit of cvila:

    The enthusiasm for 80s CDs (and old things in general) tends to get a bit out of control on this forum, exacerbated by a large contingent of people who like to slap each other on the back and follow other people's opinions religiously.

    I, for one, have heard enough about Jon Astley, Peter Mew, the f-ed up Beatles reissues, NoNoise, Cedar, and maxed out levels to last a lifetime.

    The simple fact is this: not all reissues are bad. Look at the stock (non-DCC) Doors catalog. The first CDs were bad, the second batch were much better, and the last batch are the best. The Pink Floyd reissues were a huge step up in sound quality, quality of liner notes, and cover art reproduction. Hendrix: some people think the Gastwirt versions are better than the EH releases, but either is better than the original CDs. Stevie Ray Vaughan: better sound, bonus tracks, better liners. Iron Maiden: the Raw Power CDs have been remastered, have the complete tour schedule for the release in the liner notes, QT videos, and a full discography. Miles Davis remasters: huge upgrades. RVG remasters: the ones I've heard are great. Many people like (or love) the Byrds and Simon & Garfunkel remasters. Does anyone still want their original issue CDs of "Time Out" or "Kind of Blue"? Didn't think so.

    Take everything with a grain of salt, form your own opinions, and realize that the more you type != the more you know.
     
  8. Pinknik

    Pinknik Senior Member

    In regards to UHQR test pressings, the 3rd edition of Goldmine's Collectible Record Albums guide lists the entire Beatles catalog as having once been tested out for UHQR runs. They are each listed at $900 for a NM copy, $300 for a VG+ copy. Just so ya know. I've never seen or heard a "regular" UHQR, much less a test pressing. I've seen some DCC test pressings on Ebay, but they were too rich for my wallet.
     
  9. Ben

    Ben New Member

    Location:
    Phoenix, Arizona
    UHQR's....ah, yes....I've got one of those...

    "I Robot" by Alan Parsons Project.

    Weird top-end, the bass is ulta-tight though. Bought it new for $35 back in 1980-something...must have played it all of five times. They only made 5000 copies of each. Excellent packaging...my edition # is 728.

    I also have the regular MOFI vinyl release. Actually, my favorite version of this album is the MOFI Gold CD, an Ultradisc II no less (sorry, Dave).

    Here's a list of the eight UHQR's actually issued:

    Ultra High Quality Records (UHQR Series)
    NOTE: 200 gram weight & limited to 5,000 numbered pressings each

    UHQR 1-005
    Supertramp
    Crime of the Century

    UHQR 1-017
    Pink Floyd
    The Dark Side of the Moon

    UHQR 1-025
    Earl Klugh
    Finger Paintings

    UHQR 1-035
    Cat Stevens
    Tea for the Tillerman

    UHQR 1-084
    Alan Parsons Project
    I, Robot

    UHQR 1-100
    The Beatles
    Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

    UHQR 1-507
    Maazel, Cleveland Symphony Orchestra
    Feste Romane

    UHQR 1-510
    Sir George Solti, London Philharmonic
    Holst: The Planets

    Additional UHQR Releases - Test Pressings Only:

    UHQR 1-026
    Styx
    The Grand Illusion

    UHQR 1-062
    Genesis
    Trick of the Tail

    UHQR 1-068
    Chuck Mangione
    Feels So Good

    UHQR 1-089
    Rickie Lee Jones
    Rickie Lee Jones

    UHQR 1-090
    The Modern Jazz Quartet
    Live at the Lighthouse

    UHQR 1-512
    Von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic Orch
    Tchaikovsky: Sixth Symphony

    UHQR 2-516
    Solti, Chicago Symphony Orchestra
    Tchaikovsky: Sixth Symphony

    UHQR 1-517
    Solti, London Symphony Orchestra
    Romantic Russia

    UHQR 1-522
    Reiner, Chicago Symphony Orchestra
    Strauss: Also Sprach Zarathrusta

    UHQR 3-530
    Solti, Chicago Symphony Orchestra
    Bizet: Carmen

    And, finally, the ultra-rare 140 Gram Releases - Test Pressings Only
    A "mid-weight" line experimented with in 1982/83, but never mass-produced.

    MFSL 1-017
    Pink Floyd
    Dark Side of the Moon

    MFSL 1-023
    The Beatles
    Abbey Road

    MFSL 1-104
    The Beatles
    Beatles For Sale

    MFSL 1-144
    Journey
    Escape

    A lot to wish for...huh?

    Best to the Board,

    Ben
    :cool:
     
  10. Sam

    Sam Senior Member

    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Oh, I gotta love it. All you mofi bashers (SOME of you anyway) NOW want a copy of a MOFI product. WHY??? I thought you guys(once again, those that bash mofi) did not care for the eq'ing that mofi did? Well, The mofi pressing is fantastic. And I've only compared the regular mofi to the pro-use and purple capital. But I gotta laugh if any of you bashers are now drooling for a listen.
     
  11. Ben

    Ben New Member

    Location:
    Phoenix, Arizona
    And, don't forget Sam...for only the price of postage and a blank CD = it's a bargain!

    Of course, you never hear a discussion about copyrights and artists intellectual property being violated... (wink, wink - nudge, nudge)

    Best,

    Ben
    :cool:
    (wink, wink, nudge-nudge)
     
  12. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

    Location:
    South Plymouth, Ma
    "I thought you guys(once again, those that bash mofi) did not care for the eq'ing that mofi did? Well, The mofi pressing is fantastic. And I've only compared the regular mofi to the pro-use and purple capital. But I gotta laugh if any of you bashers are now drooling for a listen."

    Yeah, but for a lot of us, there were things MFSL did amazingly, and some stuff that should be avoided, or carefully purchased for convenience only, if you collect.

    It's for the heavy-handed collectors that weren't interested at all in MFSL product that might want everything MFSL ever did, becuase now it's a wild goose chase to get it all. It's kinda like when someone says "no" you want it more.

    I don't have everything MFSL ever did, but there's a lot of late comers to vinyl, now taking it seriously. Just getting a mint copy of Gabreils' "So" on vinyl is now a big deal.

    Lotta eager late-comers who wsh they could, when they never knew... IMHO.
     
  13. pigmode

    pigmode Active Member

    Location:
    HNL
    That's an interesting way to put it. It's not exacly my favorite but I still like it a lot. I was an American Top 40 addict when it first came out and it was huge. There was so much hoopla with Paul being barefooted and the Paul is dead thing. Seems like they went to a harder rock sound on a few of the songs. Sgt. Peppers is just as "produced" as Abbey Road, don't you think?
     
  14. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Location:
    Toronto
     
  15. Sam

    Sam Senior Member

    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    I have three UHQR's. Tea for the Tillerman (great sound), I Robot (great sound) and Sgt. Pepper's. I have not compared I Robot to the regular mofi pressing. Some have said the UHQR wins hands-down. I have compared Tea to the regular pressing and the UHQR is somewhat tighter with bass. Now Sgt. pepper, I own both, and can clearly state that the UHQR is WORLDS better. Separation, depth, and (most apparent) width of soundstage. It may sound a little "hot" on some systems, but on mine (Grado sonata, modified Rega 300, vpi table and Audible Illusions preamp) it's just right.
     
  16. John Carsell

    John Carsell Forum Resident

    Location:
    Northwest Illinois
    I sold my UHQR of "I Robot on Ebay a few months ago. Sorry to say I really don't miss it. The bass was fantastic (check out the beginning intro to "Breakdown"), but the high end was enough to make a deaf man scream his ass off. Got the Mo-Fi CD and I'm not sellin' it for a king's ransom.great sound. The regular Mo-Fi 1/2 speed has the same irritating treble as the UHQR. Also I heard the story about Stan Ricker's boss demanding that he crank up that treble.
     
  17. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    Ben & Gary,
    Gary you are 100% right (sorry Ben) I Robot only came out on MFSL aluminum not gold.
    Ben are you sure you're not thinking about "Tales Of Mystery & Imagination" as that one is only on vinyl and UltradiscII? ;)
     
  18. Sam

    Sam Senior Member

    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    I don't get the high end extreme that you are talking about as far as I Robot UHQR is concerned. It could very well be (as many things are) system dependent. Everything from cartridge to preamp to amp to speaker. Just as another point of view, I've heard some say that the I robot was the "best" UHQR as far as sonics. I've had Tom Port say that the Sgt. Pepper is the best UHQR while others say the high end sizzles too much. Like I said, system dependent. If your system is too analytical (like a Theil loudspeaker) lookout!
     
  19. Ben

    Ben New Member

    Location:
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Hey, Dave!

    You (and Gary) are absolutely correct - "I Robot" is on a silver CD. It's one of my faves...brain fart.

    Man - I get all these formats and alphabet soup all mixed up all the time...

    I love the music, though...now if I could just find some more time to just kick back and listen to good vinyl...how about my question on "Can't Buy A Thrill" do you have an opinion on Speakers Corner issues...

    Greetings to The Great White North from Mars!


    Ben


    :cool:

    [ November 11, 2001: Message edited by: Ben ]
     
  20. KLM

    KLM Forum Resident

    Hey all, great discussion here and I would be curious how this all unfolds.

    -Will the lp be shipped to Steve for copying?
    -What will the sound of the CDR be like?
    -Will it compare with the UHQR that it is copied from?
    -Will the original japanese CD sound better?

    Stay tuned for more as the cd turns...

    But seriously, assuming both the Mobile Fidelity lp and the japanese CD were both recorded form the original master, wouldn't the only difference in the sound quality be from the equipment used to transfer the info. With that said, can one really expect the Mobile Fidelity copied CDR to sound any good unless a very high quality A/D and analog circuitry is used. I know that the material (type of vinyl) used to capture the music also plays a role but it seems that the most important factor would be the transfering process. In fact, the main reason many CDs don't sound that good (especially the ones in the early eighties has to do with the Sony equipment used which introduced a lot of jitter and was poor at transforming the data from the masters.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this. I love to get a copy if one is produced just to compare. I have the regular MOFI lp version and it would be interesting to hear the comparison.
     
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