Aja SACD - is it worth it?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Phan71, Oct 27, 2010.

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  1. LeeS

    LeeS Blue Note Fan

    Location:
    Atlanta
    Yes.
     
  2. Claus

    Claus Eating is a need, enjoying is an art.

    Location:
    Germany
    Maybe it's Oppo ;)
     
  3. jeffrey walsh

    jeffrey walsh Forum Resident

    Location:
    Scranton, Pa. USA
    Me, I'm still holding out rebuying this title till they locate those missing multi track tapes and give us a proper Sacd surround release! Really, I'm not joking!
     
  4. detroit muscle

    detroit muscle Senior Member

    Location:
    Edinburgh
    Until you hear it you will never be sure. I have it and like it a lot, and think it was worth the price. Others here don't feel that way. I don't think on this title you're going to get a solid one way or the other on the merits of this disc.
     
  5. MYKE

    MYKE Analog Upstairs, Digital Downstairs

    It'll take more than that $400 reward too. :laugh: But I'm there for that too. :righton:
     
  6. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    ...fed via HDMI into my processor, bypassing OPPO's analog outs. ;)
     
  7. jingi6

    jingi6 New Member

    Funny someone should mention the Oppo. I just happened to be listening to the SACD on my Oppo BDP-83SE this morning right before reading this thread. I can confirm the "more detail" judgement, especially on the high end (the piano on I Got the News really jumps out and I never heard the cymbals on this LP presented quite as intricately before). I haven't done a wild-west style shootout with my other Aja CDs, but my initial impressions were that the Hoffman version does indeed have more warmth and a better rounded bass sound. But SACD is not a total washout either. Still, the price is not nice and how it will sound to your ears on your particular rig is always a gamble. Verdict: I'm keeping mine!
     
  8. LeeS

    LeeS Blue Note Fan

    Location:
    Atlanta
    Rebuying may not be accurate here as this is the first time on SACD.
     
  9. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    Ah, I'm not alone. Trust your ears! :thumbsup:
     
  10. jeffrey walsh

    jeffrey walsh Forum Resident

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    Wish they would do the rest of the titles in surround. Gaucho is still a favorite of mine but sure would like Pretzel Logic & Royal Scam too!
     
  11. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    Lee is one constant in an ever changing world. His "perfect" to me always needs:

    -3@10k, -2@6k & +2@ 70 & 200 cycles.

    We are always in sync that way, joined at the hip, the ying and the yang... :agree:
     
  12. LeeS

    LeeS Blue Note Fan

    Location:
    Atlanta
    :D

    Steve, have you heard the SHM SACD of Aja? It's really pretty good in my opinion. Not far from my best LPs.
     
  13. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    Of course. Hence my EQ choices to match the sound of the master mixes..
     
  14. LeeS

    LeeS Blue Note Fan

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    Okay, good. I did not know the SACD was that bright. Of course, I have not heard the master tapes.
     
  15. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Mastering Engineer Your Host

    Find the AJA CD I did. That's pretty much what they sound like... I actually added some midrange back then (+3@3,400/6 Sontec) because the music didn't have ANY..
     
  16. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    It is bright! That's where the "added detail" comes from...;)
     
  17. DrJ

    DrJ Senior Member

    Location:
    Davis, CA, USA
    Mostly the same here...I don't have that exact MCA UK CD but I have an American CD pressing with Steve's mastering...plus the original '77 vinyl and Kevin Gray's Cisco vinyl mastering. I'm fond of all 3 of these, for different reasons. Briefly owned and then rapidly sold a number of other versions (Japan vinyl import pressings blah blah blah...none measured up).

    BTW was just listening to the Cisco vinyl recently and revisiting an old favorite..."Home at Last" in particular is just such a tremendous piece of music - "Pretty" Purdie's beautifully recorded and tasty ride cymbal in the right channel floats me off to heaven at the end of the track, every time.
     
  18. jingi6

    jingi6 New Member

    Ok, I broke down and just compared the SACD versions of "I Got the News" and "Josie" against the same tracks on the Hoffman version of Aja. The bass on the old CD has so much more depth and presence; basically just louder than the SACD, which is disappointingly anemic in this department. Still, there's a lot of details, especially in the percussion section, that the new disc presents in sound quality worthy of the SACD brand. For low volume listening, I might reach for the expensive Japanese option and enjoy the sizzle. But when the neighbors are gone, I'l go for the old Hoffman disc every time and crank up Black Cow.
     
  19. hifichip76

    hifichip76 New Member

    Location:
    new york
    mine came today and I can't wait to compare to my cd (and try to see which mastering I have-think it's the most recent one here in the US).

    Sometimes it eery that what comes up on this forum coincides with what I happen to be doing. Spooky!
     
  20. Phan71

    Phan71 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    After running my copy through XLD, my peak levels seem to most closely match this version, but the other info is off. I have:

    81.5/100/100/97.4/99.8/100/90.5
    MCA US MCAD 37214 DIDX w/ barcode / Matrix: MCAD 37214 01 IFPI L292

    So, it's clearly not the Steve Hoffman master, but it still sounds pretty good to my ears.

    Based on the other comments here, I'm still up in the air regarding the SACD, but I'll definitely try to find the SH mastered CD.
     
  21. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

    Location:
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    I prefer the Japan-for-U.S. MCA CDs, the Japanese 32XD disc, and the U.K Nimbus MCLD disc to the SACD. The SACD offers depth, but the bass isn't right and the sound overall is not as natural as those early CDs.
     
  22. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    Steve, have you heard the SHM-SACD? As I posted above, I prefer the early CD issues, some of which must have your mastering. I would be curious to hear your thoughts of the SACD.
     
  23. TommyTunes

    TommyTunes Senior Member

    I had and sold it IMO it is very close to the original LP, which is a good thing but I'm just not a fan of the album.
     
  24. Robert Lan

    Robert Lan Active Member

    Location:
    Taipei
    Look here.

    All the best,

    Robert
     
  25. Davidmk5

    Davidmk5 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Marlboro , ma. usa
    Original Vinyl vs. the Mac cd , either seem better ?? I have an original vinyl copy that i love , it has some crackle to it , but overall just stunning to play .
     
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