Amazon and Tidal on Apple TV

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Depechefan, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. Depechefan

    Depechefan Member Thread Starter

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    Hi,

    I'm a happy user of Apple TV. In an ideal world I would stream all my music, local and through streaming services via this device. However the audio quality is questionable on the Apple TV because everything except Atmos on Netflix is converted to PCM. It still sounds good but I of course look for perfection ;)

    With Tidal and as of today Amazon Music available as apps I'm wondering what the thinking behind it is because surely you don't get the best quality these services can offer on the Apple TV. Or am I missing something?

    /M
     
  2. Mugrug12

    Mugrug12 nothing gold can stay

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    Bumping because I also want to know.
     
  3. Sterling1

    Sterling1 Forum Resident

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    Is Apple TV used as a wireless transmission means to send Apple Music or iTunes Library content to your AVR, Receiver, or Pre-Pro?
     
  4. Russell Weston

    Russell Weston Forum Resident

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    I don't get it... Most digital music IS PCM.
     
  5. Mugrug12

    Mugrug12 nothing gold can stay

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    Maybe he meant to ask this-

    Is tidal hifi still lossless if streamed on airplay to Apple TV then sent via optical cable to DAC?
    (At least that's what I want to know haha)
     
  6. Russell Weston

    Russell Weston Forum Resident

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    It should say within the app if it supports master quality or not. In the settings.
     
  7. Sterling1

    Sterling1 Forum Resident

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    Apple TV's DAC samples at 16/48 and is analog out, no optical output option like Airport Express, which sends 16/44.1 .
     
  8. Mugrug12

    Mugrug12 nothing gold can stay

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    I have an older Apple TV w an optical out. I didn't think there was a dac inside it. I use optical cable to my dac.

    I don't know what that means for sound quality though, as far as lossless streaming from tidal. Could you explain to a newb please?
     
  9. Sterling1

    Sterling1 Forum Resident

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    I might be the newb. I have Airport Express, and liking it, I wanted to get another for a stereo in another room; but, I discovered it's been discontinued. I was told I could replace with an Apple TV. I was also told it had no optical output. You have one so it appears I was mislead. Here's what I know for sure though: Airport Express will up sample or down sample all of my iTunes content to 16/44 and Airport Express's DAC can process, sending analog to Pre-Pro, or I can output digital via S/PDIF at 16/44.1. I send via S/PDIF and Pre-Pro indicates receiving 16/44.1.
     
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  10. Mugrug12

    Mugrug12 nothing gold can stay

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    New ones don't have optical out. Mines old so it has it. You could search for an old one on eBay or Craigslist. In any case we need someone smarter than us to jump on this thread haha!

    ;)
     
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  11. Coltrane811

    Coltrane811 Forum Resident

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    3rd Generation and older have optics outs. The optical was dropped in about 2015/16. Older Apple TV’s are plentiful online though.

    My understanding is that it still will not pass through the digital signal though. So Amazon HiRes for example will still only play at 16/44.1 max (which is then upsampled 16/48).
     
  12. Mugrug12

    Mugrug12 nothing gold can stay

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    Is 16/44.1 cd quality? Sorry I'm
    digital-dumb.
    Are you saying the Apple TV maxes out at cd quality just not higher even if the source is higher resolution?
     
  13. Coltrane811

    Coltrane811 Forum Resident

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    Yes, it is CD quality and that is the max that Apple TV can output.
     
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  14. Dingly Del Boy

    Dingly Del Boy Forum Resident

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    The older Apple TV with optical out is not a bad streaming device at all, despite being limited to essentially CD quality - you can do a lot worse.
     
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  15. Mugrug12

    Mugrug12 nothing gold can stay

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    Cool thanks. I use Spotify 320 now but I'd like to try tidal hifi.

    That way I will hear cd quality if I go tidal hifi controlled by iPhone> Apple TV via airplay > optical cable to dac. Correct?

    Airplay via wifi is lossless right? I should ask about that step in the chain as well.
    Thanks and Sorry I'm such a hifi digital newb!
     
  16. Coltrane811

    Coltrane811 Forum Resident

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    You will get CD quality from that audio chain. AirPlay is lossless, but I believe even with the optical out it upsamples everything to 16/48 although I’m not 100% sure that is the case.
     
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  17. Dingly Del Boy

    Dingly Del Boy Forum Resident

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    Yes this is correct, the only sample rate it puts out is 48kHz.
     
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  18. Coltrane811

    Coltrane811 Forum Resident

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    Do you know if this is true of Apple TV’s or all AirPlay products?
     
  19. Dingly Del Boy

    Dingly Del Boy Forum Resident

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    I believe this is specific to the Apple TV. The Airplay stream supports 44.1, and that's what I get if I stream to my Hegel amp using Airplay.
     
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