Audio Note UK Phono SE signature Silver question*

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  1. Jazz fan from Brazil

    Jazz fan from Brazil New Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Amsterdam
    Can anyone tell me the difference between the AudioNote Phono SE signature and AudioNote Phono SE signature Silver?

    I’m deciding which one to buy... Is it worth the price difference?

    Many thanks!
     
  2. Rolltide

    Rolltide Forum Resident

    Location:
    Vallejo, CA
    I’ve owned the normal and the signature, but have never heard a silver signature. I’ll be curious as to what kind of answers you get. As I understand it the silver signature costs 2x as much as the signature, and hits a price point at which point you could get an M2 Phono and a P1SE signature.
     
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  3. Erocka2000

    Erocka2000 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY, USA
    I think the Silver version is also very new, so there's probably not many of them out in the wild.
     
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  4. Fred Hansen

    Fred Hansen Forum Resident

    Location:
    Europe
    I guess there aren't many Oto SS around. The known advantages: a universally liked design in a small box and with premium electronics, including the best transformers.
    Cons: for the same price, one can buy level 2 amplifiers.
    I would like to compare it to the new Meishu silver which is roughly the same price
     
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  5. finn

    finn Forum Resident

    The Oto SE Silver Signature is a level 2 product so not the "Cons" you mention. If you read the owners manual. There are significant difference between this model and the Signature version and primarily it is the level of componentry used, caps and resistors and more importantly, the use of the UHiB output transformers and the C-Core mains transformer. There is a considerable difference in the sound of the amplifiers using the UHiB material in the outputs and that is really what you are paying for. Using this amp is going to be compromised if the rest of the system is not capable of showing the authority and control in the bass end of the music being reproduced so anything less than a pair of AN-E SPe HE speakers in a good room would not show it to its full potential. Using the 2 watt resistors and Kansei caps is a step up over the Signature version and again push the sound to the next level.
    As to whether it is better than a Meishu Silver, depends if you can live with the size of the Meishu, if you want to use higher quality 300b tubes, same old pros and cons. I do use UHiB output transformers in a pair of Quest Silvers and P4 Balanced mono's and they really are worth the premium if you can convince the factory to wind them for you. The bass end of a 300b tube can be mighty impressive in the right combination.
     
  6. Warren Jarrett

    Warren Jarrett Audio Note (UK) dealer in SoCal/LA-OC

    Location:
    Fullerton, CA
    Well, you have not mentioned which AN product you are thinking about, when you ask about standard vs. Silver or Signature, vs. Silver Signature. "Phono SE" just means it is an integrated amp with a phono stage built-in and that the amplifier section is Single Ended, not Push-Pull. In every case, these are three levels of internal parts qualities that provides each upgrade with an absolutely stunning increase in the sound qualities of same product design, definitely worth the extra money if you have the money to spend.

    I have compared many times with a few AN products. If I were to compare a lower model with Silver Signature parts, to the next higher model with only the standard parts, the lower model will ALWAYS be the way to go. Having the better parts delivers the sonic goods in spades! I am surprised no other manufacturers offer more than one version of their designs, for this reason.
     
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  7. Fred Hansen

    Fred Hansen Forum Resident

    Location:
    Europe
    Finn and Warren, I really appreciate that you answer so many questions from us with great insight and kindness. Thank you!
     
  8. Jazz fan from Brazil

    Jazz fan from Brazil New Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Amsterdam
    Many thanks for all your answers!! The amp I mantion is the OTO and I’m looking to buy also a pair of AN-E SPe HE speakers to pair up. I have a Rega Planar 2 already as he main source (carbon capaule).
     
  9. Classicrock

    Classicrock Forum Resident

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    South West, UK.
    You are contemplating very expensive silver wired Audio Note equipment and you think a Planar 2 is an adequate source? You would be better buying a TT2 or even TT3 or another fairly high end TT first.
     
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  10. Rolltide

    Rolltide Forum Resident

    Location:
    Vallejo, CA
    I think with the Oto you should stop at Signature vs. Silver Signature. It’s a great pairing with the AN-E SPE HE’s, I can say from experience. If the upgrade bug strikes you and you start looking at Meishus/etc, consider Silver Signature versions.
     
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  11. HBA

    HBA Member

    Knowing the Audio Note gears, I am not surprised if the Oto Silver Signature were on a completely different league compared to the Signature
    The different ( and much better) components make a huge sound improvement
    I agree that you should match it with the right speaker The An E Spe He is a right choice
    The Planar 2 is an outstanding TT by the price and you will get a very good performance when connected to the Oto Phono session.... for sure you can save budget and go for a better TT later on.... the Oto deserves it.... but it is not something so critical
     
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  12. Salectric

    Salectric Forum Resident

    Location:
    Maryland
    I don't know about that. It always pays to have some balance in one's components. Audio Note in particular is a big proponent of this with its Level ratings. You don't want to go to an extreme such as having Level 5 amps with Level 1 speakers.

    In particular, the source is such a critical component that I would hate to see a significant compromise there. In my case, upgrading the turntable (not the arm or cartridge, just the table) to a Galibier Gavia was one of the biggest improvements I ever made. The change from my previous tables (TD-124 and VPI 19 Mk3) was truly qualitative, not just an incremental improvement. In the future, if I were ever to downsize my system, I would make lots of downgrades before I would consider a change in my turntable. By the same token, I think the Planar 2 would hold back the potential for musical enjoyment by an unacceptable degree.
     
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