Audio Technica's new VM cartridge series

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Scott Davies, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. patient_ot

    patient_ot Forum Resident

    Location:
    USA
    Check the links above.

    Here is info directly from Namiki

    MicroRidge | Adamant Namiki Precision Jewel Co., Ltd.
     
    MusicNBeer and Heckto35 like this.
  2. MusicNBeer

    MusicNBeer Forum Resident

    Location:
    Florida
  3. patient_ot

    patient_ot Forum Resident

    Location:
    USA
    Economies of scale and perceived prestige.

    AT uses the ML stylus on far more cartridges and sells more ML styli total. That means they are cheaper to buy in bulk.
     
    McLover and MusicNBeer like this.
  4. recstar24

    recstar24 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Glen Ellyn, IL
    Thanks for those two links, the measurements, while at times over my head, were pretty revealing, with the SLC consistently showing a hotter top end and at times twice as much distortion! Amazing that AT was able to pack so much performance with the ML stylus.

    I think I’m going to call pat on my 740ml and enjoy it for the rest of it’s stylus life, of which there is plenty.
     
    MusicNBeer and Heckto35 like this.
  5. Heckto35

    Heckto35 Well-Known Member

    Whichever one you choose, I am positive you will enjoy it!
     
  6. Phono Groove

    Phono Groove Forum Resident

    Location:
    Montreal, Quebec
    From what I understand the VM 700 series cartridge bodies are all the same for the 740 750 and 760 but is it the same as the at150mlx cartridge body? If I were to install the at150mlx stylus on the vm740ml cartridge body would it be any different from the stock at150mlx cartridge body?
     
  7. patient_ot

    patient_ot Forum Resident

    Location:
    USA
    Only way to know if it's practically the same is to test the resistance and inductance of each body and compare them. Failing that, compare manufacturer's specs (which could be off a little).
     
  8. vinyldoneright

    vinyldoneright "THE" Maestro

    Location:
    Ca
    I am running a VM700 body qith 150MLX stylus, it is noticeably better than the 740ML
     
    porotikos and Phono Groove like this.
  9. 4011021

    4011021 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Brazil
    In what sense?
     
    Heckto35 likes this.
  10. BCJaysfan

    BCJaysfan Forum Resident

    I'm dreading the day that I have to replace my 150MLX... so far looks like the 740ML is the closest, but inferior.

    I also wonder if I would be disappointed in a Rega Exact on my P3 after being used to the 150MLX... the 740ML is also half the price of the Rega.
     
    maglorine likes this.
  11. Francois

    Francois Forum Resident

    Location:
    Montreal, QC
    I'm using the wmn40ml on my at150mlx body, to me it sounds a bit better actually, throught my rp6 with the fono mm mk3.
     
  12. FuzzyNightmares

    FuzzyNightmares New Member

    Location:
    Oregon
    Looking for a “future proof” cartridge for a technics sl-d3 I’ll be picking up from my dad soon. Originally was settled on buying a planar 3 and nagaoka mp110, but I decided to give this a go while I watch and wait for something in the range of a SL1200 to VPI scout comes up on Craigslist. With that said all the cartridge recommendations I’ve seen for this table have been discontinued, and that’s how I found myself here looking at the replacements for carts like the 150mlx.

    760slc is definitely out of my budget for now, but would consider the 540ml, but will locking myself into a cart like this limit my ideal turntable options in the future? Would I be better off getting a budget $50 cart now and then figure out a quality cart once I have a more mid-fi table? I think based on my current/future budget I will stick with MM.
     
  13. Angry_Panda

    Angry_Panda Vacuum Tube Socks

    I'd get the VM540ML - I've run it on both my SL-D2 and SL-D303 with great results (using a Baerwald alignment, rather than the stock Technics 52mm overhang). I will qualify this by saying that I did trim down the length of my cables on both tables a bit, as part of putting better shielded plugs on those - both test in the 100-110 pf range now. Stock would run a bit higher, and keeping the capacitance low seems to be really beneficial on this cart. Plus, if you move to a 1200, all you have to do is swap the headshell over and you're set - same geometry on the arms.
     
    patient_ot and FuzzyNightmares like this.
  14. FuzzyNightmares

    FuzzyNightmares New Member

    Location:
    Oregon
    Is there someplace I could find a guide on this (the trimming cables, installing shield plugs, which plugs to use etc?) Electronics are not really in my wheelhouse
     
  15. SNDVSN

    SNDVSN Forum Resident

    Location:
    Glasgow
    You could argue that the 540ml is better than the top of the range 95sh, I have both but reserving judgement till the shibata is broken in. I did notice that the cantilever on the 95 does seem to be more bulky than the 540.
     
  16. Angry_Panda

    Angry_Panda Vacuum Tube Socks

    I'd suggest asking a friendly local shop, if you've got one you deal with - they should be able to walk you through this, and having someone show you how to strip the cables and get a good connection the first time is a good idea (plus you don't have to get the tools right off the bat). If that's not an option, I'm sure there are plenty of U-tube videos that can walk you through this. (Like many things, you'll find a variety of opinions on the best way to do this, so get a couple opinions and remember that solder's not exactly just metal glue.)

    RCA plugs are pretty easy, and a good way to start with soldering. No need to go crazy high end with plugs; a decent pair of metal shell Neutriks or Switchcrafts should do, which should only set you back a few bucks.
     
    FuzzyNightmares likes this.
  17. George Blair

    George Blair Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Given the option of buying a VM540ML cart to replace an AT150MLX, would it be smarter to keep the 150MLX cart and just snap on a 540ML stylus? Anyone have an opinion on any advantage either way?
     
    Hermetech Mastering and Francois like this.
  18. Francois

    Francois Forum Resident

    Location:
    Montreal, QC
    That's exactly what I did. I don't have much of a revealing system, but I'd say it works for me! Got a few recordings of it on soundcloud!
     
    George Blair likes this.
  19. Segasonic91

    Segasonic91 Well-Known Member

    What is the break in time for the vm760slc?

    I received a 760slc last week to replace my now slightly "bet to the right" 740ml. I have not installed it yet, my SL-1700MKII is playing up, hence the bent cantilever. So there is no way I am placing my $930 slc on it! I popped the stylus on for a few seconds, but it did not sound great. Stupid pricing means that buying the whole cart/stylus combo again, was very slightly less and in some cases, MORE expensive than buying the stylus only. I may buy a shibata stylus for my second cart. I am curious about it being the best for hard rock music, which what I mainly listen to.

    I should be recieving a Denon DP-47f and Victor QL-Y44 later today. Once I get a protractor for either, I will place the slc on one of them. It was much easier on the Technics. The Denon has a barely used DP-110 installed and also includes the original DL-80 cart. I am curious about the sound of the DP-110, so I will probably try it for a while. The Victor has its original 100 EC II cart on it. I THOUGHT my SA-7500 had phono 2 marked as "MC/PHONO 2" on the selector knob. On closer look last night, I realised the damn thing says "MIC/PHONO 2"!! So, no MC input. Same goes for the AU-9900 that is in need of service. So, I may just pop it on the Victor.
     
    Heckto35 likes this.
  20. recstar24

    recstar24 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Glen Ellyn, IL
    It was noted previously that the nuts they supply with the 740ml (I’m assuming it’s the same with the 540ml) don’t necessarily sit flushly within the slots of a headshell, such as on my technics 1200gr. It always looked a little odd, and genius me just realized today “wait, I have the original headshell nuts/screws that came with the technics”. Those sit perfectly flush in the technics headshell, and just look better than the AT nuts kind of sticking out above the headshell.

    one of my questions is whether one could theoretically have better performance as a result, considering the cart is theoretically more “bonded” to the headshell.
     

Share This Page