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BBM (Baker, Bruce, and Moore) questions

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Canuck Jazzguy, Aug 15, 2015.

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  1. jwoverho

    jwoverho Senior Member

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    I think Ginger couldn't stand Jack but knew that they had a musical bond that transcended all of the animosity.
     
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  2. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kinda guy.

    Ginger really sounds like he might not be the nicest of people. Love his playing, but have no desire to have met any of Cream.
     
  3. Fred68

    Fred68 Loves Music

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    I've never really understood what it was about Jack that rubbed Ginger the wrong way. None of the many other musicians who worked with Jack through the years had anything bad to say about him, as far as I know.
     
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  4. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

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    ginger always claims jack turned up his amps super loud on purpose and caused him to be deaf. that's one of the many things
     
  5. head_unit

    head_unit Forum Resident

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    Always seemed to me Ginger couldn't stand ANYBODY
     
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  6. czeskleba

    czeskleba Senior Member

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    I suspect money was also a notable factor in his occasional reunions with Bruce. He certainly knew the public wanted to see/hear them together, regardless of how he might have felt.

    By contrast, does Ginger have anything good to say about any musician he's worked with, aside from Eric Clapton?
     
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  7. PTgraphics

    PTgraphics Senior Member

    I haven't listened to this cd in a very little no time. On another note I saw the doc of Ginger on Netflix a few weeks ago. Doesn't seem to be a very nice person. He has had a very interesting life though.
     
  8. jwoverho

    jwoverho Senior Member

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    He's praised Steve Winwood as well.
     
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  9. no time

    no time Forum Resident

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    Is it too much to hope for a BBM live album?
     
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  10. Canuck Jazzguy

    Canuck Jazzguy Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    In the new Gary Moore biography ("I Can’t Wait Until Tomorrow" written by Harry Shapiro), I think Gary is quoted at one point as saying that the gigs in Spain were particularly outstanding.
     
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  11. Billo

    Billo Forum Resident

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    it seems clashes between Ginger and Steve Winwood tore Blind Faith apart tho'....

    the Baker / Bruce issue goes right back pre-Cream to their days together in The Graham Bond Organisation

    Ginger has said he ran the band not Bond and was not afraid to tell someone if he thought they were out of line etc - he described guitarist John McLaughlin (later of Mahavishnu Orchestra fame) as a 'right complainer'

    Ginger seems to have been a difficult task master (to put it lightly) and was a dour mega blunt Londoner - Jack of course a fiery Glasgow Scot....

    so the old England (London) v Scotland (Glasgow) friction must have existed between the two from the word go - BUT the two fired each other up to another level of playing which in Cream was so vital alongside Clapton's guitar

    for all their personal friction (fist fights in the van, even pulling a knife so the tales go) it seems fiery Jack and blunt 'no holes barred' Ginger were so terrific together as a bass/drums combo that they worked together in group after group - Graham Bond Org / Cream / BBM etc
     
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  12. JulesRules

    JulesRules Operational, partially functional

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    I don't think the Baker/Bruce problem was the main issue with BBM. The problem was more with Jack and Gary both being singers, front men, writers... each of them had a hard time stepping down and letting the other take the limelight for a while.
     
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  13. oxegen

    oxegen Forum Resident

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    I attended Ginger's 70th birthday gig at the Jazz Cafe in 2009. Steve made a guest appearance and there seemed to be a genuine warmth between the two - even more so from Ginger's side.

    As an aside, I could have done with some of that friendliness when Ginger breezed passed me earlier on his way into the venue. I tried to get him to sign his autobiography but had no luck. Autographed copies were on sale inside the venue so I bought another copy.
     
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  14. Fred68

    Fred68 Loves Music

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    What are you basing that on? Did you see them live, or read an interview with one of the artists, or something else?
     
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  15. JulesRules

    JulesRules Operational, partially functional

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    Read http://www.the-discographer.dk/vinyl/gary-moore-bible.pdf and you'll see where I'm coming from. What I've read from the official Gary Moore biography also seems to support that theory.
     
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