Beatles meeting Oct '69, where's the tape?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by YpsiGypsy, Jul 16, 2018.

  1. Nightswimmer

    Nightswimmer Forum Resident

    Oh, absolutely.
  2. coco77

    coco77 Forum Resident

    United States
    I never understand when people say that Paul’s barbs were the ones that were initial...
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  3. czeskleba

    czeskleba Senior Member

    John had been snarky is his public comments, but Paul was the first to put bitchy comments into a song.
  4. Nomadicarchivist

    Nomadicarchivist Forum Resident

    Washington D.C.
    NO he did NOT!
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  5. Helter Skelter

    Helter Skelter A Dark Horse

    To be fair, when I take large doses of acid, I sometimes think I'm Jesus Christ too.
  6. Trader Joe

    Trader Joe Forum Resident

    New Hampshire
    Can you provide specific examples of lyrics in his songs?
  7. czeskleba

    czeskleba Senior Member

    It was just one song, according to Paul:

    I was looking at my second solo album, Ram, the other day and I remember there was one tiny little reference to John in the whole thing. He'd been doing a lot of preaching, and it got up my nose a little bit. In one song, I wrote, "Too many people preaching practices," I think is the line. I mean, that was a little dig at John and Yoko. There wasn't anything else on it that was about them. Oh, there was "You took your lucky break and broke it in two."
    — Paul McCartney, Playboy, 1984

    Piss off, cake. Like, a piece of cake becomes piss off cake, And it's nothing, it's so harmless really, just little digs. But the first line is about "too many people preaching practices." I felt John and Yoko were telling everyone what to do. And I felt we didn't need to be told what to do. The whole tenor of the Beatles thing had been, like, to each his own. Freedom. Suddenly it was "You should do this." It was just a bit the wagging finger, and I was pissed off with it. So that one got to be a thing about them.
    — Paul McCartney, Mojo, 2001
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  8. teag

    teag Forum Resident

    Paul was so brave in interviews that took place after December 8, 1980.

    Not so brave before then.
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  9. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Forum Resident

    What does that even mean?
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  10. Ken Wood

    Ken Wood Forum Resident

    In the snippet he says "the only time we vaguely need something of that quality is for a single" IIRC.
    So he does not quite say it should have been a single - he still doesn`t like the song(s) - but if at all this type of music might have it`s merits popularity-wise for the single-market.
  11. Arnold Grove

    Arnold Grove Senior Member

    To be fair, when I take large doses of acid, I sometimes think I'm Rod Stewart... ;)

    The "bigger than God" controversy

    Rod Stewart
  12. blutiga

    blutiga Forum Resident

    I think it's well documented and discussed fairly extensively here that Paul had J&Y in mind with certain lyrics on Ram.
  13. blutiga

    blutiga Forum Resident

    And of course package his album with a photo of two beetles effing each other.
  14. numer9

    numer9 Beatles Apologist

    Philly Burbs
    Actually two dung beetles rolling a ball of dung.....but hey....
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  15. blutiga

    blutiga Forum Resident

    Well yes :) But obviously put there to say something.
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  16. Detroit Music Fan

    Detroit Music Fan Forum Resident

    How about, “You Never Give Me Your Money.”

    It’s self-deprecating for sure, but it’s still bitchy and it hits John and the whole band as well.

    No matter how you slice it, Paul brought these matters out into the public first, which of course must have felt like a betrayal to his business partners and his musical partner. I’m not saying John was justified in his conduct, indeed I think the things Lennon said were far more caustic and insulting, but Paul went public first.
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  17. SunSon

    SunSon Forum Resident

    Sea Of Holes
    Prior to that and after the Ram songs debacle Paul played it cool and did not get John upset because he always wanted them to get back together.
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  18. Jackstar74

    Jackstar74 Forum Resident

    Got it. Thanks for that
  19. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Forum Resident

    That was about Klein, not the other Beatles.

    • "This was me directly lambasting Allen Klein’s attitude to us: no money, just funny paper, all promises and it never works out. It’s basically a song about no faith in the person, that found its way into the medley on Abbey Road. John saw the humour in it." -Paul

    I'm not really sure how Paul went public first given no one knew that Too Many People was about John until John said it was about him. It would be like Paul claiming that John started it and citing the lyrics of Come Together as the evidence, because he believed that the lyrics were about him.

    The lyrics to Too Many People are opaque, they could be about anyone. How Do You Sleep or the numerous interviews in the '70/71 by John are not the case of that.
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  20. coco77

    coco77 Forum Resident

    United States
    Did Paul ever say he wanted them to get back together? I feel like he was not very open to it in interviews that I’ve read
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  21. MPLRecords

    MPLRecords Owner of nine copies of Tug of War

    Rochester, NY
    I can't vouch for his feeling at the time of Ram, but he did have a "Beatle reunion" clause in his Columbia contract, which began in 1979.
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  22. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Forum Resident

    Yup. He was always against it in the '70's. The other three at times were positive about it, Paul was the one who never entertained the idea.

    In fairness he'd be crazy not to. The numbers that were being suggested in the late 70's were ridiculous. He also seemed open to writing with John again and working with Ringo and George.

    There is a difference between being open to something and actively wanting it and Paul does not seem to have wanted a Beatles reunion in the 70's.
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  23. Neil Anderson

    Neil Anderson Forum Resident

    Portland, Oregon
    Well, just prior to the Venus and Mars sessions, he did invite John to join him. but I grant that's not the same thing.
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  24. Detroit Music Fan

    Detroit Music Fan Forum Resident

    Being about Klein is about the other 3.
  25. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Forum Resident

    No, it is about Klein. You have to really, really stretch for it be a critique of the other Beatles.

    Which lyric of the song do you take as an obvious dig at John, George or Ringo?
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