Best version lp of "Are You Experienced "

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by henry babenko, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Its the same metalwork as mentioned so its a repress as well as a reissue. It sounds identical.
     
  2. The original stereo Reprise LP is best. Pressed by Columbia Santa Maria. For me, with the later and most recent pressings, the sound is lifeless.
    The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
    Of later day pressings, the 2008 MCA version 180g pressed by RTI is best. The 2014 200g version pressed by QRP is one of the worst. Eventhough they used the RTI mothers, due to their inexperience with pressing records and off-center issues, it is the most lifeless.
     
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  3. 2010 legacy RTI is all you'll ever need.

    Your going to have to fork out some ridiculous amount of coin to get an original in a decent condition, just not worth it, spend the difference on weed and beer instead.
     
  4. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    A fully analog cut is lifeless? What is it they had then that we dont now?
     
  5. puddingdish

    puddingdish Forum Resident

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    Best is the French Barclay mono!
     
  6. ???? You answered your own question. To simplify, fully analog & first-time use of the original masters. Later pressings, aged masters + 200g(which tends to absorb sound) = lifelessness.
    Coulumbia, Santa Maria = virgin, traditional weight, vinyl.
     
  7. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Ah I see, all those AP, Music Matters and Classic Records reissues that nearly everyone loves are lifeless because the tapes are so old and their 200 gram weight absorbes the sound (which Ive never even heard of).
    Ill have to remind myself of that whenever they equal or improve on originals.
     
  8. marcb

    marcb Senior Member

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    I just love generalizations based on mostly misinformation presented as fact... :sigh:
     
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  9. Dr. Funk

    Dr. Funk Vintage Dust

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    So......I guess we all need to throw away our records that are 200 grams and have been cut with aged masters, because they have now been deemed lifeless. :crazy: unproven theories + urban myth = misleading information.
     
  10. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    I have a two-tone Reprise and it sucks. The 2010 reissue is much better sounding.

    Anything but lifeless.
     
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  11. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    The 2010 pressing of Electric Ladyland is considerably better in my opinion than the original Track LP, pressed in 1968, when the “tapes were fresh”. Not only that, the latest cut by Bernie Grundman is even better than the 2010 pressing.
     
  12. No misinformation here, based on experiences dealing with 1,000's of records, including generational and re-issues. Ever wonder why RTI and many other record manufacturers have stopped pressing 200g records?
     
  13. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Because its more material and costs more. It also requires more time for cooling. I dont think the plants decide what weight should be done either.
    Can you now demonstrate or reasonably explain how slightly thicker vinyl absorbes sound?
    Or are you actually advocating for dynaflex like it wasnt just RCA being cheap?
     
  14. Well, first, AP is still sorting things out. Their QRP division needs to learn how to press a properly centered record. In recent conversations I've had with AP, they are considering if they should stop pressing 200g records.
    With quite a few Classic Records releases in my collection, it is easy to compare. I found their 180g records to be better sounding than their 200g records. Their 45 rpm 200g issues were often their best. Classic Records also did some comparison discs in both 180g and 200g, one track on each side, one side 33 and the other 45. One example of this was "The Look Of Love" by Dusty Springfield(from the "Casino Royale" soundtrack. The 180g version was superior to the 200g version. The 180g, 45 rpm side was the best of all.
    Another comparison I have. Classic Records re-issued the first Crosby, Stills & Nash album on 180g, 200g & 200g-45. My original MO and CTH pressings are slightly better than the CR 180g version, much better than the CR 200g, but the 45 rpm set of 4 12" one-sided 200g records is a toss-up with the original LP. With the C, S, N & Young album, "Deja Vu", the CR 200g release can't hold a candle up to the original Monarch pressing. I had exchanged the CR releases a couple of times trying to get copies which sounded better than my originals.
    Classic Records had quite a bit of trouble with the "Who's Next" album in 2005. Multiple different weight pressings with the 200g version being the most troublesome. None were as good as the original Decca pressings we got here in the U.S. CR started a downhill slide after this. RTI wouldn't do 200g pressings anymore, so CR had to go elsewhere and the 200g pressings continued to be problematic.
     
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  15. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Thats irrelevant to this.
    Did they say it was because the extra 20 grams absorbes the sound?
    I have several Classics myself. The 180 hram version dont "sound" better, they just have quieter vinyl or better QC. The aspect you should look at is Classics history where they were more well off in their early days of 180g pressings and as they got more desperate and short of money the 200g versions rolled out. They even started skimping on proper inner sleeves.
    The weight has nothing to do with it in this example. They would be as noisy if they were 180 gram.
    And your personal dislike of some of their mastering has nothing to do with the weight.
    You never adressed tape age either.
     
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  16. It's not really the added costs, it's the greater difficulty in pressing 200g. How much more 20g of vinyl would add to the project. Besides, it's not the pressing companies who are paying for the product, it's their customers who order it and ultimately, the end consumer.
    How does thicker vinyl absorb sound? Really? You do realize that plastics are used for insulation, correct? The thicker the insulation, the more sound, heat, etc. it will absorb. Modern records are made of vinyl, a soft pliable plastic. Records reproduce sound through vibration patterns pressed into them. It stands to reason that the thicker a vinyl record is the more vibration it will absorb hindering the cartridge. It is said that a metal master is the closest to the master tape that you can get. That is a reason for DMM, eliminating the lacquer master.
    I'm not sure if RCA was trying to be cheap using "Dynaflex", but they were concerned with a record laying flatter on a turntable. Soundwise, I didn't notice much difference and over the last few years, I've heard people say that they aren't so bad. I do know that the "Dynaflex" records aren't as flexible now as when they were new. When new, I could bend one easily into the shape of a "U", but now, almost a "V". If I went any further, I think that the record might snap. If RCA wanted to get cheap then they probably would have made their records out of styrene.
     
  17. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Damn, anyone else feel free to take this one. There is just too much misinformation, contradiction and delusion to point out in 1 evening.
     
  18. RockyRaccoon

    RockyRaccoon Forum Resident

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    The cartridge moves with the groove of the record, so it doesn’t matter how thin or thick the vinyl with regards to insulation. It’s not going to absorb vibration, unless you’re talking about absorbing the vibrations emanating from the speakers, in which case I can’t possibly fathom how 20 extra grams of carbon are going to have a perceptible effect on the sound.

    Are you serious or are you just trolling?
     
  19. Purple Jim

    Purple Jim Senior Member

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    Any idea how the Hey Joe/Stone Free single in the 1980 6 Singles Pack compares to the original 1966 Polydor single?

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  20. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Personal Survival Daily Record-Breaker

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    Read his posting history. Par for the course.
     
  21. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Personal Survival Daily Record-Breaker

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    Unfortunately, he's dead serious. You should see the gems he drops in the Hardware forum. :laugh:
     
  22. john lennonist

    john lennonist There ONCE was a NOTE, PURE and EASY...

    Where does the UK "Backtrack 10" LP pressing (from 1970 or 1971, I think) rank it terms of SQ?

    I think it has two or three Stereo tracks, the rest are Mono.
     
  23. marcb

    marcb Senior Member

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    I’m thinking it’s the other way around...mostly stereo with the Reprise tracks in fake stereo and 3rd Stone in true mono. But maybe I’m confusing it with the UK Polydor 2-fer of AYE & Axis...

    I’ve actually got a needledrop of mine on my ipad and will try to listen to it tonight.
     
  24. Man at C&A

    Man at C&A Senior Member

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    I don't unfortunately. My Dad used to have that set though. I remember playing it when I was young. All silver plastic Polydor labels if I remember correctly. I think it had Gloria one of the singles. A very long time ago now, but almost certainly the first Hendrix I heard, then Smash Hits with many of the same tracks, but that was mine!
     
  25. Purple Jim

    Purple Jim Senior Member

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    I have it. I'll dig it out and try and compare it with something. I have the original Polydor single but it I'd found it sleeveless in a junk shop in the late 70s and it looked too scratched to play. I ended up just framing. Anyone got a clean rip of the original Polydor single?
     

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