Black Sabbath CD's - 86 Castles vs. 2016 Remasters

The s/t, MOR, Vol4 and SBS SACDs are totally different animals from the Paranoid and H&H SACDs. And they are definitely very different from any other Sabbath release I have listened to. I haven't noticed any hiss on any of them. This has discussed at length on several threads on this forum, use the search function if you want to know more details. What I can say is that it is definitely a mistake to draw any conclusions regarding the MOR etc. SACDs from your experience of the Paranoid SACD.

 

IIRC, MOR is from UK tapes too, while Heaven and Hell is from Japanese tapes.

For further details on the available sources of information, you would have to dig a little into other threads on this forum. Anyway, the way that the s/t, MOR, Vol4 and SBS SHM-SACDs sound always seemed (to me as a laywoman) to suggest it would be from master tapes rather than vinyl cutting tapes. What's much more important to me is how much I like their sound.

 

I am sure the answer is somewhere in here:
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Oh yes, forgot these two. MOR is fantastically crankable.

 

If anyone wants to make their own mind, here are 1mn 44.1kHz FLAC samples of Planet Caravan from:

The '86 Castle CD - Framadrop - Share files confidentially
The Japanese Twofer - Framadrop - Share files confidentially
The SHM-SACD - Framadrop - Share files confidentially


The outlier is the twofer, it has less hiss than both the Castle and the SACD.

 

Has the '86 been adjusted for pre-emphasis?

 

Yes! The MOR SACD contains what is possibly my favorite mastering of any Sabbath album ever.

Very nice, thanks!

Anyway, again, to all those who are not familiar with the Sabbath SACDs: Please don't mistake the Paranoid SACD for a representative or typical example of what they all sound like. The s/t, MOR, Vol4 and SBS are entirely different in both origin (UK tapes vs. Japanese tapes) and sound from the Paranoid SACD.

Exactly the question I wanted to ask! If it isn't, that would be an easy explanation for the amount of hiss.

 

According to the person who sent me the files, it isn't (it was a straight digital rip from the CD). I have taken the liberty to add my own De-Emphasis, using the one from Foobar + a volume adjust:
Framadrop - Share files confidentially

 

Thanks again! This is very important information, because DE really needs to be added in order to fairly assess and compare this recording.

 

Yes, had I known, I would have mentionned it in the original post.

 

One thing I’ve always wondered... who’s the guy on the Paranoid album cover??

 

I didn't use to like Sabbath until I scored the Intercord CD of Greatest Hits. Now it's getting regular airtime. I love the sound on this one.

 

Is the intercord Paranoid CD better than the 2016?

 

I think it is a "War Pig". AFAIK the album was going to be called "War Pigs", but then they changed the album title to "Paranoid", and there was no time to change the album cover as well.
Paranoid (album) - Wikipedia

 

He's definitely wearing boots so it must be a faerie.

 

Good one!

 

Come to think of it, he kind of looks a bit like Tony Iommi!

 

As a kid I always assumed it was Ozzy lol

 

LOL, that's a funny discussion. Hmmm, thinking about it, he neither really looks like a pig, nor does he look like a politician, a rich person or a general (the War Pigs that Geezer apparently had in mind when writing the lyrics) - this guy does loook like a fighter himself, while the song is about those people who make others fight in their interest. I am sure somebody here knows more about this. However, I have a hunch we might come to the conclusion that the cover does not really make a lot of sense. He looks like somebody in a samurai science fiction movie.

 

I don't have any 2016 cds. I don't think very many on here have the Intercord CDs but they do seem to be well rated.

 

This is something I want to check out myself at some point. The Intercord seems to be the favorite of several people here, but it is said to have one or several drop-outs (during Iron Man?). The 2016 WB/Rhino (and 2014 HDtracks and 2017 Ten Year War) seems to have used a very good source tape, but is too bright (like all the 2012 remasters). Both the 33PD twofer and the 1986 Castle are liked by some or many. I personally feel that the SACD is not bad either (a contested claim on here), but again it needs EQ.

 

Sure !!! The only issue are some audible tape damages in "Iron Man"...otherwise it is the perfect version on CD !!!

 

Can you give me some timings when there are drop outs in Iron Man? I want to compare to the Iron Man on my Intercord - Greatest Hits CD.

And just checking - you have the original Intercord right, not the Russian pirate version?

 

Unfortunately, I have the russian pirate version only...but it is a digital clone of the original disc.
Sorry, I will tell you about the dropouts as soon as I find some time. Simply check your version on the INTERCORD Greatest Hits...if they are there, they are very hard to ignore

 

OK will check. I hadn't noticed them so far, but I probably wasn't listening critically.