Black Sabbath - Heaven & Hell/Mob Rules - 2021 Deluxe Edit.

Weren't these already released about 7 years ago?

 

Would seem BMG are releasing them here in the UK, and the US release date may be too close to the release date for the Do reissues in February for BMGs liking.

 

Man I am so confused. And no time to fully research these and compare the tracklists with what I already have, which not counting numerous other CD releases/reissues of these albums also include the Deluxe Editions from 2010. After already having shelled out for these like 5 times over I am very resistant to doing it yet again (and again and again)....

 

I already have the previous deluxe reissues which were well mastered, and the new content on these does not excite me much. Why bother remixing only The Mob Rules? I would love someone trying to remix the full Heaven and Hell album.
Depending on the price and the pressing quality, I might go for H&H on vinyl though.

 

I believe they played Lady Evil a few of the early shows that tour.

 

Why anyone would bother remixing Heaven and Hell eludes me.

Come to think of it, remixing “The Mob Rules” has about zero appeal. The Portland gig is what will probably hook me into buying Mob Rules. And as long as I end up getting that I will probably get both.

Neither of these records needs to be within a hundred miles of a remix, IMO. Both were stellar, very unique productions and Birch at his peak.

 

I'm not sure why they didn't just do a comprehensive Dio era box set including both these albums and all bonus and live material from that era.

 

I like the Hammersmith show much better then the Live Evil release. Just has a but more authentic live sound and I prefer the set. Soundwise, its similar to compare the solo Ozzy Tribute album to the more recent Ozzy RSD release from the Blizzard tour.

 

The NY shows in 1980 with Blue Oyster Cult co-headlining were professionally filmed and released on VHS, BETA and Laserdisc (only in Japan) called “Black and Blue featuring 7 songs from each band. It’s not a great Dio/Sabbath performance, they are all out of sorts at the beginning of Neon Knights.

 

I was very happy when I found out that Country Girl was on the Hammersmith CD. Made it an instant purchase for me, and I wasn't disappointed.

 

Regarding the mastering. On Tony Iommi’s Facebook page several people express their wishes for the new mastering. I think that this is a good example of what 99% of the music listening public value in a remaster:

“Hope both have a remaster that makes them sound, not only better, but louder as when playing on a mix the songs are noticeably quieter than other Sabbath tunes. ”

The loudness war is over; we lost ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

The 2010 deluxe editions sound really good they will be hard to beat with dr 13-14.

 

When will we get all Tony Martin albums as Deluxe Editions with remastered sound...???

 

The press release lists the mono single edit of "Lady Evil" as previously unreleased on CD, but wasn't that on the last deluxe reissue of the album?

This is what I really wanna know. Been waiting on a reissue of Headless Cross ever since it was first proposed. Genuinely one of my all-time favourite albums.

 

Not the vinyl.

 

I was talking about the Mob Rules clip (Portland show).

 

I have the original CD issue along with the vinyl, the Hammersmith show is excellent, far better sonics than the clip from Portland.

 

I agree, no reason to buy Mob Rules again.

 

Is it the general consensus that the Hammersmith show is better than Live Evil?

I may have to get the 1st Mob Rules deluxe edition before this one comes out then since I have never been that impressed with Live Evil and I didn't get the 1st Mob Rules Deluxe because I think the original Warner CD sounds great.

 

Yes, it is. The recording is raw and undoctored. Live Evil sounds polished with lots of edits.

 

I've been searching in the wild for years for another copy of Mob Rules on vinyl... prices always seemed a bit high on Discogs & Ebay. My OP has a deep gouge in 'Falling Off The Edge Of The World". That being said, I might go in on the vinyl releases... think my copy of Heaven & Hell is pretty worn as well.

 

Because that would require the Sab camp to act logically or not be cheap a s s e s .

 

Thanks. Had some money left of a Amazon gift card, so I just ordered it.

 

It's different. As noted above, it's very raw and immediate. At least one night of that run was New Year's Eve, so it's got a definite party vibe. When I listen to it, I can imagine that I'm leaning on the front railing right in front of the stage. When I listen to Live Evil I imagine sitting way back and high up in a huge arena. The setlists are different enough also.

Both are mandatory.

 

For anyone wanting a quick comparison between the 2010 and 2021's.

Summary
- the 2021 Hammersmith is missing 6 tracks versus 2010
- the 2021 includes a new remix of Mob Rules
- the 2021 includes a new show Portland 1982
- all other 2021 bonus tracks were on the 2010's.



The 2010 Deluxe editions contained the following bonus tracks

2010-Heaven and Hell

2-1 Children Of The Sea (Live, Single B-Side) 6:24
2-2 Heaven And Hell (Live, Single B-Side) 7:19
2-3 Lady Evil (Mono Edit, 7" Single) 3:54
2-4 Neon Knights (Live In Hartford, CT, U.S.A., 1980) 4:49
2-5 Children Of The Sea (Live In Hartford, CT, U.S.A., 1980) 5:58
2-6 Heaven And Hell (Live In Hartford, CT, U.S.A., 1980 & 12" Single Version) 12:34
2-7 Die Young (Live In Hartford, CT, U.S.A., 1980) 4:36


2010-Mob Rules

1-10 Die Young (Live, 12" Single B-Side Of Mob Rules) 4:04
1-11 The Mob Rules (Heavy Metal Soundtrack Version/Original Demo Version) 3:14

Live At The Hammersmith Odeon London (31/12/1981-2/1/1982)
2-1 E5150 1:18
2-2 Neon Knights 4:37
2-3 N.I.B. 5:16
2-4 Children Of The Sea 6:07
2-5 Country Girl 3:53
2-6 Black Sabbath 8:24
2-7 War Pigs 7:40
2-8 Slipping Away 3:18
2-9 Iron Man 7:04
2-10 The Mob Rules 3:35
2-11 Heaven And Hell 14:24
2-12 Paranoid 3:21
2-13 Voodoo 5:45
2-14 Children Of The Grave 5:05




2021 - Heaven and Hell

Disc Two: Bonus Tracks
“Children Of The Sea” – Live B-Side Of “Neon Knights” *
“Heaven And Hell” – Live B-Side Of “Die Young” *
“Lady Evil” – 7” Mono Edit (unreleased on CD)

Hartford Civic Center, Hartford, CT (August 10, 1980)
“Neon Knights” *
“Children Of The Sea” *
“Heaven And Hell” *
“Die Young” *

Hammersmith Odeon, London (Dec 31, 1981- Jan 2, 1982)
“E5150”
“Neon Knights”
“Children Of The Sea”
“Heaven And Hell”


2021-Mob Rules

“The Mob Rules” – Heavy Metal Soundtrack Version
“Die Young” – Live B-Side Of “Mob Rules” 7” *
“The Mob Rules” – New 2021 Mix **

Live At The Hammersmith Odeon London (31/12/81 - 2/1/82)
“Country Girl”
“Slipping Away”
“The Mob Rules”
“Voodoo”

Live At Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR, April 22, 1982
Intro **
“Neon Knights” **

Disc Two: Bonus Tracks
Live At Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR, April 22, 1982
“N.I.B.” **
“Children Of The Sea” **
“Voodoo” **
“Black Sabbath” **
“War Pigs” **
Drum Solo **
“Iron Man” **
“The Mob Rules” **
“Heaven And Hell” **
Guitar Solo **
“Sign Of The Southern Cross/Heaven And Hell” – Reprise **
“Paranoid” **
“Children Of The Grave” **