To your first question: arguably yes, but I've posited before that they dropped the ball with ASP -- that was the project that was supposed to definitively tie together the 1969-1970 era (and they chose to also tie it back to Basement Tapes and extend it to the '71 sessions), and thereby make a case that it was a unified artistic statement along the lines of the Basement Tapes (i.e. originals, covers, and half-remembered traditional stuff filling the gaps). So in that light, it only makes sense that ASP should have had a super-deluxe version that had the complete works of the whole era. Instead, we have a series of titles -- Nashville Skyline, Self Portrait, New Morning, "Dylan," GHv2, ASP+Isle of Wight, Travelin' Thru, Copyright '69 and Copyright '70 (and likely Copyright '71) -- as all scattershot releases. Together, they would have been an unassailable artistic statement. Instead, ASP only hinted at the reality of the artistry going on and left tons of highlights on the cutting room floor.
There was no precedent in 2013 for a set of Dylan outtakes of that magnitude. It would have been seen as a white whale, and possibly killed the Bootleg Series stone dead in the eyes of the general public. So, instead, we got BS10: the first of the chunky, deluxe sets, but still affordable, and still digestible for the more casual fan. They made the right decision at the time, IMO. Now, in 2020, we have 15 CDs worth of material covering an 18 month period from February 1969 through August 1970. Whatever way you cut it — personally, I don’t care if those outtakes are spread over multiple releases — that’s more material than we ever dreamed of from this period.
You're talking out of the back of your neck. No, I only hung on for the 1969 and 1970 Collections. I was right on top of both releases and I didn't get them. I've been posting here in anticipation of getting the thing, keeping the threads at the top of the forum. My disgust started yesterday.
Yeah..I’m annoyed at this too. I regularly get Badlands marketing emails (funnily enough a one this morning to pre-order the Neil Young Archives Vol 2 out next March!!) but I didn’t get the Dylan one..I only found out because a friend forwarded his copy to me. So I’m assuming they only sent a few emails out.
It looks as if Badlands were selective who they sent notifications to. It would be interesting to know how they determined who to notify. I check Badlands regularly in the hope of catching the new Dylan release we've all been speculating about and anticipating; last time, in the wee morning hours Saturday. I literally just missed it.
I was never even this "horse race", hell I didn't even know about this until about this morning. Oh well, I'll never get an original copy, so I'll have to do with the bootleg when it comes out.
Not only that, but if there's 5 hours of music and it's only availlabe to listen to via a streaming service or YouTube video, not expressly downloadable (i.e. there's no download button or option present) or aquire through other, obvious and intentional, means - and its there for half an hour, then they have certainly NOT reasonably coommunicated the material. You can't listen to it in that time. Some unreleased George Harrison snippets from 'All Things Must Pass' sessions were posted on a site recently - 30 second samples. They simply cannot claim copyright on that basis and have obviously been advised badly if they don't intend to stick them up somewhere else in full before 1st Jan.
Agreed, this is where it’s worth getting proper external legal advice (and if they get it wrong at least you can sue).
Why all the complaining about this set which has been limited in numbers every year? We all know what its for, and why should every damn Dylan fan feel they need to own these "official" releases? They have basically given these vault quality outtakes to us for free (and they are easily obtainable in non-cd form). Just because some of you have an obsessive completist problem doesn't mean they should change their release strategies. Go download them and stop wasting everyone's energies.
we have to thank the copyright law. most of this stuff appeals to a very limited number of hard core dylan types. tbh I doubt ill ever listen again to that "running man' from the last dump.
Very sad not to get a copy and hear this stuff but had to accept a while ago that it just was not possible to be a Dylan completist. D.A. Pennebaker once said something along the lines that it’s the eternal questing after this stuff that makes you a fan. We can never have everything and we will therefore never be truly satisfied. But we keep hoping.
Are you a legal expert - how do you know? This law has yet to be tested in court anyhow. The excerpts are now published and now copyrighted - full versions cannot exist and be released without using the now copyrights excerpts.
Yes. I have a law degree, and am a chartered member of a professional body, specialising in an aspect of EU law. My job is to advise on legal compliance for businesses in relation to U.K. and EU law.
I got last year's collection, and I've been signed up for and reading the Badlands emails for a full year since to give me a shot at this year's 1970 collection. But no email came this year, so I didn't know about this until today and missed out. I'm in Canada – another data point in favour of some filtering by country going on (or perhaps by purchase history?). In any case, nothing to be done. It's all over now (etc etc).
I suppose the artwork on this release is an improvement over other editions. It probably took them a few minutes more than previous editions (ha ha)... Although I think I still prefer the stamp variations.
Haha ... yes, and I'm really not too sore about missing out, because I understand that the whole point of these Copyright Dumps is to extend Sony's rights in the EU. For everyone who's upset, as @NewWarden just said above, and @Mbd77 has said all along, this is a legal move, not a music release. They know this stuff will get leaked and bootlegged, and they're pretty much looking the other way about it. This isn't about the music, it's about the RIGHTS to the music. That may sound gross to you, but that doesn't change the facts. Personally, I don't like the idea of extending copyrights forever so that rich people can make their grandkids rich. Our culture is much, much richer because of the concept of the "public domain," and corporations like Disney (who will go to the ends of the earth to own Mickey Mouse forever) and Sony are working against that. Imagine if we had to pay some great-great-great-great-great-great-grand-nephew of Leonardo Da Vinci every time we wanted to look at the Mona Lisa. The only good thing to come out of this for Dylan fans is that some interesting vault material gets leaked. Eventually, the best of the Copyright Extension material will get packaged properly in mainstream Bob Dylan releases, and I look forward to that. They will surely draw on the 1962 and 1963 sets for "The Villager," if that ever happens. I think a Cutting-Edge-style box covering the entire Freewheelin' era would be amazing -- the best takes and alternates of every track attempted for the album, interspersed (chronologically) with live highlights and demo sessions ... wow. I don't know what they'll do with some of this recent stuff; I suspect 80% of it will go back to the vault and never be heard from again. It's criminal that the 1970 "Tomorrow Is A Long Time" (for example) was left off ASP and now is consigned to Copyright Extension limbo, but at least we can all listen to it.
For there to have been only 100 copies produced, I sure seem to have run into a lot of people on the Internet who claim to own this.
Thanks for the photo. This is not a bad looking set, it actually looks like a legit release here. I would rate the album artwork on this one in the top half of Dylan covers.
