Bob Dylan At Budokan: Opinions?

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  1. johnny 99

    johnny 99 Down On Main Street

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    See "Has Bob Dylan Ever Released A Bad Album" thread.
    This one's 'bad'.
     
  2. I hate it so much I've only listened to the full album a handful of times. Every time I decide to give it another chance I just can't get any furthur than side 1. A laughable version of "Mr. Tambourine Man", a reggae version of "Shelter From The Storm" (complete with horrible sax solo) and flutes on "Love Minus Zero/No Limit", really too much for me to handle. He has released other disappointing live albums, but I think this is the most unlistenable one.
     
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  3. cocaine hubris.
     
  4. jpmosu

    jpmosu a.k.a. Mr. Jones

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    Well, at least Dylan didn't hire Clarence Clemons! :)

    I'm with the OP in finding Budokan one of Dylan's more intriguing live albums--the official ones, that is--until the advent of The Bootleg Series. Look, it's by no means one of my go-to Dylan albums, but it's nice to hear Dylan with a full band--emphasis on full.

    I know that the "there's nothing else like it in Dylan's catalog" claim isn't necessarily a reason to embrace Budokan, but this was my first exposure to many of these songs (this album being one of my first 5 Dylan purchases), so I do enjoy hearing these particular arrangements from time to time.
     
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  5. johnny 99

    johnny 99 Down On Main Street

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    It wasn't even supposed to be released anywhere EXCEPT Japan originally.
     
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  6. TeddyB

    TeddyB Senior Member

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    True. If they'd left it at that we'd view the album as possibly exotic and interesting,a glorified bootleg, instead of bloated and failed. It's certainly of historic and biographic note. This is when Bob hired Jerry Weintraub as his manager and decided he could be the better Neil Diamond. I guess both were sort of Fat Elvis. If I had to give up one Dylan album from my collection, this would be my first choice.
     
  7. johnny 99

    johnny 99 Down On Main Street

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    You could consider this a bit like the "Dylan" album from 1973.
    Not really official and not at all essential.
     
  8. I did see this show in Rotterdam in the Spring and then later in Oakland in the Fall 1978. Loved them both.
     
  9. Mark

    Mark I Am Gort, Hear Me Roar Staff

    I saw the tour Providence 10/7/78 (I think...). I really enjoyed the show and this album. Been wondering why for years.....
     
  10. RayS

    RayS A Little Bit Older and a Little Bit Slower

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    I enjoy the album. I'd rather have a few swings and misses intermingled with successful reinterpretations than an album of the same old hit songs in the same old arrangements.

    That being said, the very lengthy '78 got much better as it wore on (so this album is not the best document of the tour). The June shows at the Universal Amphitheater are my personal favorites. The Fall shows have plenty to recommend them as well, as Dylan started doing some lengthy spoken introductions to "Ballad of a Thin Man" and "Senor". We also get the only live performances ever of the magnificent "Where Are You Tonight?"

    The '78 versions of "It's Alright Ma" (on the album) and "Tangled Up in Blue" (not on the album) are daring and highly rewarding reinterpretations.
     
  11. Ctiger2

    Ctiger2 Senior Member

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    It's phenomenal. No other artists would take the risks Dylan has.
     
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  12. DmitriKaramazov

    DmitriKaramazov Senior Member

    The "Tangled Up in Blue" performances from the 1978 tour are NOT TO BE MISSED. Performances of a lifetime! The song is completely reinvented as a torch ballad, and.... unbelievably... it works!
     
  13. Mark B.

    Mark B. Forum Resident

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    I have a nice white label promo of this album because, well, none of the staff at the record store where I was employed at that time wanted anything to do with it. I think I only played it once. Seems like that was enough. It 's probably still better than the first time I saw him - the 1988 tour with G.E. Smith in the band. At least Steve Earle opened.
     
  14. INSW

    INSW Senior Member

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    There are some excellent shows and fairly good bootlegs from later in the tour, but the Budokan album is terrible,
     
  15. RayS

    RayS A Little Bit Older and a Little Bit Slower

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    I believe that Steve Earle opened for Dylan in 1989.
     
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  16. johnny 99

    johnny 99 Down On Main Street

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    I thought that myself as we saw them at The Kingswood Music Theatre that summer. My friend took one look at Steve Earle that night and said that he thought he might have become a junkie. He was right.
    They both were not in their finest form that summer.
     
  17. RayS

    RayS A Little Bit Older and a Little Bit Slower

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    I saw 5 of the summer '89 shows and I enjoyed them. Kudos to Dylan for playing a Steve Earle song in his set to honor his opening act. The 4 night stand at the Beacon in NYC after "Oh Mercy" came out was incredible. 10-10-89 is at the top of my list for Dylan concert performances. But then again I'm the guy who likes "Budokan", so who can say.
     
  18. JuhaS

    JuhaS Senior Member

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    It's interesting to note that this song got a new and very different arrangement for the fall shows.

    I think Real Live and Dylan & The Dead are much worse. Dylan's ****tiest backing groups ever.

    Before Bootleg Series started Bob really wasn't lucky with official live albums. Of those I really only enjoy Hard Rain.
     
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  19. johnny 99

    johnny 99 Down On Main Street

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    I saw him twice in the summer of 88.
    Then in the summer of 89 with Earle.
    Then a 3 night stand at The Okeefe Centre in the summer of 1990.
    Then again in 91 at the same venue as 89.

    The 3 1990 shows were probably best out of them all.
     
  20. I liked the poster, had it on my wall for years. I think I listened to the album twice.
     
  21. johnny 99

    johnny 99 Down On Main Street

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    Hard Rain is excellent!

    Budokan
    Real Live
    and Dylan & The Dead are not.
     
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  22. fallbreaks

    fallbreaks Forum Resident

    I actually kind like the reggae version of Don't Think Twice, although I'd never prefer it to the original Freewheelin' version or Live 1975. In a career that is defined by curveballs, that is one truly wtf moment.
     
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  23. pillboy

    pillboy Active Member

    Bob ain't no Cheap Trick.
     
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  24. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    I'm going to have to go back and find some recordings from that tour. I saw a September show at Nassau Coliseum -- a hideous concert venue -- and don't remember much about it (and I saw a bunch of shows that year which I remember almost like it was yesterday, Springsteen at MSG, Ray Charles with The Staple Singers opening at Carnegie Hall really stand out in my mind all these years later). I remember not being particularly knocked out by it.
     
  25. cublowell

    cublowell Forum Resident

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    I've always loved Real Live. Mick Taylor sounds like he's having fun, & though its not a great band by any means, it makes a good summation of that tour. I actually prefer I & I and License to Kill to their studio versions.
     
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