*Bob Dylan* Freewheelin's outtakes CD (SONY copyright issues)

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  1. bobcat

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  2. bobcat

    bobcat Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Newsflash! very interesting development:

    From http://expectingrain.com

    Bob Dylan - The 50th Anniversary Collection / The Copyright Extension Collection Vol. I Sony Music has released an extremely limited European only 4cd set of outtakes from 1962 & 1963. The album is sold only through selected stores in England, Germany, France & Sweden. The set is limited to probably no more than a hundred copies. The release is triggered by European copyright laws which would pass these recordings onto public domain unless Sony claims ownership by releasing it it one way or another. Scans of Cover and Tracklist. from åke Jonsson. Available digitally as well but only via BobDylan.com in France and Germany. from Jeffrey Schulberg

    http://www.myplaydirect.com/bobdylan/50th-anniversary-collection/details/27918122
     
  3. qtrules

    qtrules Forum Resident

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    legit release?
     
  4. Hey Vinyl Man

    Hey Vinyl Man Another bloody Yank down under...

    That link didn't work for me.
     
  5. bobcat

    bobcat Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Maybe it only works in Europe....I am in the UK
     
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  6. DeeThomaz

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  7. DeeThomaz

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    Someone on the Expecting Rain board just reformatted the track listing to make it a little more convenient. Until it's further improved, I've copied it here:

    Going Down To New Orleans (mx. CO 70085-1)

    Going Down To New Orleans (mx. CO 70085-2)

    Sally Gal (mx. CO 70086-2)

    Sally Gal (mx. CO 70086-3)

    Rambling Gambling Willie (mx. CO 70087-1)

    Rambling Gambling Willie (mx. CO 70087-3)

    Corrina, Corrina (mx. CO 70088-1)

    Corrina, Corrina (mx. CO 70088-2)

    The Death Of Emmett Till (mx. CO 70089-1)

    (I Heard That) Lonesome Whistle (mx. CO 70091-2)

    Rocks And Gravel (Solid Road) (mx. CO 70096-3)

    Sally Gal (mx. CO 70086-4)

    Sally Gal (mx. CO 70086-5)

    Baby, Please Don't Go (mx. CO 70099-1)

    Baby, Please Don't Go (mx. CO 70099-3)

    Milk Cow (Calf's) Blues (Good Morning Blues) (mx. CO 70100-1)

    Milk Cow (Calf's) Blues (Good Morning Blues) (mx. CO 70100-3)

    Wichita Blues (Going To Louisiana) (mx. CO 70101-1)

    Talking Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues (mx. CO 70102-2)

    Milk Cow (Calf's) Blues (Good Morning Blues) (mx. CO 70100-4)

    Wichita Blues (Going To Louisiana) (mx. CO 70101-2)

    Baby, I'm In The Mood For You (mx. CO 75717-2)

    Blowin' In The Wind (mx. CO 75719-1)

    Blowin' In The Wind (mx. CO 75719-2)

    Worried Blues (mx. CO 75723-1)

    Baby, I'm In The Mood For You (mx. CO 75717-4)

    Bob Dylan's Blues (mx. CO 75718-2)

    Bob Dylan's Blues (mx. CO 75718-3)

    Corrina, Corrina (mx. CO 76981-2)

    Corrina, Corrina (mx. CO 76981-3)

    That's All Right, Mama (mx. CO 76983-1)

    That's All Right, Mama (mx. CO 76983-3)

    That's All Right, Mama (mx. CO 76983-5)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-3)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-5)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-6)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-7)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-9)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-10)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-11)

    That's All Right, Mama (remake/overdub CO76893-3)

    Rocks And Gravel (Solid Road) (mx. CO 76986-2)

    Ballad Of Hollis Brown (mx. CO 77003-2)

    Kingsport Town (mx. CO 77004-1)

    When Death Comes Creepin' (Whatcha Gonna Do?) (mx. CO 77005-1)

    Hero Blues (mx. CO 77020-1)

    When Death Comes Creepin' (Whatcha Gonna Do?) (mx. CO 77021-1)

    I Shall Be Free (mx. CO 77023-3)

    I Shall Be Free (mx. CO 77023-5)

    Hero Blues (mx. CO 77020-2)

    Hero Blues (mx. CO 77020-4)

    Hard Times In New York Town (Mackenzie Home Tapes)

    The Death Of Emmett Till (Mackenzie Home Tapes)

    I Rode Out One Morning (Mackenzie Home Tapes)

    House Of The Rising Sun (Mackenzie Home Tapes)

    See That My Grave Is Kept Clean (Mackenzie Home Tapes)

    Ballad Of Donald White (Mackenzie Home Tapes)

    Honey, Just Allow Me One More Chance (Gerde's Folk City)

    Talkin' New York (Gerde's Folk City)

    Corrina, Corrina (Gerde's Folk City)

    Deep Ellum Blues (Gerde's Folk City)

    Blowin' In The Wind (Gerde's Folk City)

    The Death Of Emmett Till (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Stealin' (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Hiram Hubbard (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Blowin' In The Wind (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Rocks And Gravel (Solid Road) (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Quit Your Low Down Ways (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    He Was A Friend Of Mine (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Let Me Die In My Footsteps (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Two Trains Runnin' (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Ramblin' On My Mind (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Muleskinner Blues (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Muleskinner Blues (part 2) (Finjan Club, Montreal)

    Sally Gal (Carnegie Hall Hootenanny)

    Highway 51 (Carnegie Hall Hootenanny)

    Talking John Birch Paranoid Blues (Carnegie Hall Hootenanny)

    The Ballad Of Hollis Brown (Carnegie Hall Hootenanny)

    A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (Carnegie Hall Hootenanny)

    See That My Grave Is Kept Clean (The Gaslight Café, NYC)

    No More Auction Block (The Gaslight Café, NYC)

    A Motherless Child (The Gaslight Café, NYC)

    Kindhearted Woman Blues (The Gaslight Café, NYC)

    Black Cross (The Gaslight Café, NYC)

    The Ballad of Hollis Brown (The Gaslight Café, NYC)

    Ain't No More Cane (The Gaslight Café, NYC)
     
  8. DeeThomaz

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    Here's an interesting post from the Expecting Rain site from someone who visited Badlands (one of the tiny handful of stores that stocked this instantly-sold-out collection):

    I was in Badlands at about 12.30pm, having not checked ER this morning. Got the news from the lovely chap behind the counter - it all felt slightly GWW. He showed me a copy, said it was £90, and that Sony wanted copies of all the receipts sent back to them (perhaps to prove that it was actually sold before 2013?). I think he said they had 25 copies and that they were all sold. Speculation was that these might be repackaged for a bigger release later. The cover wasn't the one on the download sites, it was the one on the ER frontpage .pdf file. The tracklist was a piece of twice folded A4 paper! And there was a red elastic band around the bunch of CDs! I can't confirm whether this band came from Sony, or was from the shop stock... Anyway, I didn't try to buy one.
     
  9. misterbozz

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    Fascinating...
     
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  10. Paul Saldana

    Paul Saldana jazz vinyl addict

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    You can imagine that those tracks as mp3s will soon be floating around where us North Americans can hear them.
     
  11. mikeja75

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    My mind is blown by this -- it's absolutely bizarre.

    You'd think that Sony would release these to a few "friendly" stores and have their own Sony employees buy them back from said store...Sony would then have proof from the store that the recordings were legally sold in 2012 (if that's whats important) and their staff would simply return the burned copies to the Sony lawyers. In the end, the set never falls into the hands of the generally public and will not leak out to the interweb.

    If this action helps Sony to retain some sort of copyright ownership over these recordings -- and it keeps them from falling into public domain -- why don't more owners follow this same action to keep these out of the PD in the UK?

    My assumption is that Sony is doing this to simply better there case in court in case they start to legally question the release Bob's earliest recordings as they hit the 50 year mark?

    Again...bizarre.

    Edit: I forgot the piece about this being for sale digitally in certain countries. I'm sure they have some sort of DRM on the files, but enterprising people can find a way around that so that it's not tracked back to the original buyer. This is crazy stuff.
     
  12. mikeja75

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    Can someone in the UK post a screen grab of the myplay site that is offering this set digitally? It's definitely not accessible from a US IP address. How much is the digital set?
     
  13. misterbozz

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    And still the studio take of Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues (from April 24th session?) doesn't get a look in?

    Hope for a wider release for these, am sure they could sell quite a few, although I don't know how many takes of 'Mixed Up Confusion' I would want to hear in one sitting...
     
  14. bobcat

    bobcat Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Have you tried going to France or Germany on the dropdown list and then to 'albuns?'
     
  15. Mlle. Aurora

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    100€ for the digital set. Insane or what?
     
  16. Mlle. Aurora

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  17. Heart of Gold

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    These are all the complete unreleased takes from the 1962 Freewheelin' Sessions (clearly for copyright extension purposes). In this way, Sony has completely released the 1962 sessions. Fascinating release...
     
  18. John Rhett Thomas

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  19. Mlle. Aurora

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  20. JuhaS

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    Insane! Why don't they release it as Bootleg Series? And to my knowledge, as these outtakes have never been officially released, no PD label could put them out legally anyway.
     
  21. Mlle. Aurora

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    If your IP address won't let you access the page, you may want to try this: http://www.hidemyass.com
     
  22. bobcat

    bobcat Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    No, all you have to do is go to the drop down list at the top left of the page, choose France or Germany and then go to 'albums' and it should be there
     
  23. John Rhett Thomas

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    I tried to place an order from "France" but when I put in my US shipping address it kicked me out. Good for me I have friends in the UK and Paris that can swing this for me. I'll let y'all know how it goes. Thanks for the tip on this!
     
  24. John DeAngelis

    John DeAngelis Senior Member

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    So I just have to wait three more years before they release all the Blonde On Blonde Nashville outtakes?
     
  25. stef1205

    stef1205 Forum Resident

    100 Euros for mp3 files? What's that? An end-of-the-year cash-in???
     
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