BOB DYLAN: Outtakes, Alternates & Live Recordings, 1965-1966

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  1. HominyRhodes

    HominyRhodes Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    That Nashville '66 instrumental version of I'll Keep It With Mine was used in the I'm Not There film, as I recently learned. But I never noticed that 2nd version of the song from the Bringing It Alll Back Home sessions (the 1st solo take appeared on Biograph). Version 2 has apparently never leaked out.

    And yes, I'm working toward a corrected/inspected/unrejected list of the session material that's in circulation. With help from everyone here, of course.
     
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  2. subtr

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    Great, so the version I have listed here IS from the BoB sessions. And great - I know everyone appreciates the efforts you go to. Get Rhythm's Basement Tapes thread was similarly amazing!
     
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  3. JohnS

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    Yes... found it. There is some session material - an aborted take and studio chat, very brief (less than a minute) - for 'It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry'.
    This was first booted in 2008 on a 4CD set from Wonderland called 'The Nite Crash Ballads', and later included on the fan-compiled 'Electric Gashcat' set.
    Apparently it is from master no. 86837 or 86839, recorded on July 29th 1965.
     
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  4. DeeThomaz

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    I remember finding that promo in the bins of a local record store. It was a rather thrilling score!
     
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  5. ash1

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    Don't have anything to add other than thanks for all the great info. Dylan 65-66 is top notch and i want to hear it all.
     
  6. DeeThomaz

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    Searching For A Gem reports the instrumental "Keep It With Me" was included in a movie called "The Wendell Baker Story" back in 2005. I haven't seen it so I can't confirm, but will re-watch "I'm Not There" soon (which I've been meaning to anyways) and see if I notice it there. It certainly wasn't on the soundtrack.
     
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  7. HominyRhodes

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    I had it in my head that Nico was the first one to release a version of I'll Keep It With Mine, but Judy Collins apparently recorded it for a single in 1965, which I had never heard until a few moments ago.



    Dylan recorded the song as a publishing demo in 1964, tried it during the Bringing It All Back Home sessions, and once again during the early Blonde on Blonde sessions in NYC. (Three of those versions have been released.) I can only think that he wanted to try the song one more time in Nashville, and that sweet, folky instrumental version [a/k/a "Keep It With Mine"] may have resulted from Al Kooper teaching I'll Keep It With Mine to the studio cats, thinking that Dylan wanted to try to record it. Instead, as we now know, he emerged from another room with Sad Eyed Lady of the Low Lands, and that's what they recorded instead.

    The instrumental "Keep It With Mine" sounds more like the arrangement used on Nico's version, rather than Judy Collins' take or any of Dylan's own versions.

    EDIT: I think my favorite cover version of the song is actually by Susannah Hoffs (1984).
     
  8. HominyRhodes

    HominyRhodes Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    re: Dylan's Forest Hills Concert, 1965
    I remembered reading about this years ago, and mentioned it in another thread here awhile back, but now, thanks to the good people over at The Band website, I found the info:

    (from Musician Magazine, 1987, "Albert Grossman's Ghost" by Rory O'Conner )
    "...singer-songwriter Steve Forbert said that he recently came across a board tape from Dylan and the Band's tumultuous 1965 Forest Hills concert in a box of tapes in one of Albert's houses. "I was tempted to steal it," Forbert smiles, "but I was a guest." Are less scrupulous visitors carrying other tapes out of there?..."
    http://theband.hiof.no/articles/agg_musician_june_1987.html

    Wouldn't it be great to have a high-quality recording of the '65 Forest Hills show? (A low-quality audience tape has been around for a long time.) Photographer Daniel Kramer was there, documenting the proceedings, and in his book, Backstage Passes, Al Kooper describes the show in some detail. It was Dylan's first "electric" concert after he raised such a ruckus at Newport, and he debuted several of the songs from the forthcoming Highway 61 Revisited, which wouldn't appear in record stores for a few more weeks. If anyone rescued that "board tape" from Albert Grossman's closet, I hope it gets released someday.

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    (Two of Daniel Kramer's photos from Dylan's 1965 Forest Hills concert.)

    1130
    Forest Hills Tennis Stadium
    New York City, New York
    28 August 1965
    1. She Belongs To Me
    2. To Ramona
    3. Gates Of Eden
    4. Love Minus Zero/No Limit
    5. Desolation Row
    6. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
    7. Mr. Tambourine Man

    8. Tombstone Blues
    9. I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
    10. From A Buick 6
    11. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues
    12. Maggie's Farm
    13. It Ain't Me, Babe
    14. Ballad Of A Thin Man
    15. Like A Rolling Stone

    1-7 Bob Dylan (vocal, harmonica & acoustic guitar).
    8-15 Bob Dylan (vocal, harmonica & electric guitar), Robbie Robertson (electric guitar), Al Kooper (organ), Harvey Brooks (bass), Levon Helm (drums).

    Notes.
    -First half acoustic, half electric concert.
    -Live debuts of Desolation Row, From A Buick 6, Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues and Ballad Of A Thin Man.
    -First electric versions of I Don't Believe You and It Ain't Me, Babe.
    -Mono audience recording, 90 minutes.
    -Session info updated 22 August 2014.
    http://www.bjorner.com/DSN00785 (65).htm#DSN01130
     
  9. DmitriKaramazov

    DmitriKaramazov Senior Member

    I want to "like" this post 100 times!! :edthumbs:
     
  10. RayS

    RayS A Little Bit Older and a Little Bit Slower

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    I think Dylan, and perhaps others, have conflated Newport and Forest Hills. Fans boo at Newport in response to Dylan having a limited amount of time. At Forest Hills the electric set is booed in earnest.
     
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  11. S. P. Honeybunch

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    John McEnroe wasn't even on the scene yet, though. When you go to a tennis court, you don't expect to hear loud Fenders.
     
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  12. HominyRhodes

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    As I recall, some of them pre-planned their booing for the electric songs, and I think Al Kooper said that Dylan had them do the intro for Ballad of a Thin Man over and over until the crowd settled down.
     
  13. HominyRhodes

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    A first draft of the released/circulated tracks from the Blonde on Blonde sessions, recorded in NYC and Nashville. Please point out any errors/omissions/additions, and note that many of the take numbers seem to be unavailable from either Krogsaard or Heylin. I usually try to keep the CO-number info to a minimum, but it seemed relevant here, since Dylan recorded the same songs several times across different sessions.

    And as far as I know, the instrumental take of I'll Keep It With Mine (which Dylan took no part in) and the alternate take of Stuck Inside of Mobile are the only two non-LP tracks to have emerged from the Nashville sessions.

    BLONDE ON BLONDE (I)
    New York City sessions
    NYC OCT 05, 1965: MEDICINE SUNDAY/MIDNIGHT TRAIN..T-__ per Heylin CO87183
    NYC OCT 05, 1965: MEDICINE SUNDAY/MIDNIGHT TRAIN..T-__ H61 CD-ROM CO87183
    NYC OCT 05, 1965: JET PILOT.......................T-__ Biograph CO87186
    NYC OCT 05, 1965: CAN YOU PLEASE CRAWL OUT........T-__ unrel'd [FRAG] CO87184
    NYC OCT 05, 1965: I DON'T WANT TO BE YOUR PARTNER.T-__ unrel'd [FRAG] CO87185
    NYC OCT 05, 1965: I WANNA BE YOUR LOVER...........T-__ unrel'd CO87185
    NYC OCT 05, 1965: I WANNA BE YOUR LOVER...........T-06 Biograph CO87185
    NYC OCT 05, 1965: Instrumental/NUMBER ONE ........T-__ unrel'd 87187 + 87192 [per HEYLIN: 1/27/66]
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    NYC NOV 30, 1965: VISIONS OF JOHANNA/FREEZE OUT...T-__ NDH CO88581
    NYC NOV 30, 1965: VISIONS OF JOHANNA/FREEZE OUT...T-__ unrel'd CO88581
    NYC NOV 30, 1965: VISIONS OF JOHANNA/FREEZE OUT...T-__ unrel'd CO88581
    NYC NOV 30, 1965: CAN YOU PLEASE CRAWL OUT........T-__ unrel'd CO88582
    NYC NOV 30, 1965: CAN YOU PLEASE CRAWL OUT........T-__ SINGLE Biograph CO88582
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    NYC JAN 21, 1966: SHE'S YOUR LOVER NOW............T-__ CO89210 Bootleg Ser. V.1-3
    NYC JAN 21, 1966: SHE'S YOUR LOVER NOW............T-__ CO89210 (solo) unrel'd


    NYC JAN 25, 1966: LEOPARD-SKIN PILLBOX HAT........T-__ CO89215 NDH
    NYC JAN 25, 1966: ONE OF US MUST KNOW w/insert....T-__ LP VER./SINGLE CO89216


    NYC JAN 27, 1966: I'LL KEEP IT WITH MINE..........T-__ CO89218 Bootleg Series Vol.1-3
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    BLONDE ON BLONDE (II)
    Nashville sessions
    NASH FEB 14, 1966: FOURTH TIME AROUND..................T-19 LP VER. w/O.D. CO83182
    NASH FEB 14, 1966: VISIONS OF JOHANNA..................T-04 LP VER. CO83183


    NASH FEB 15-16, 1966: [I'LL] KEEP IT WITH MINE (instr.)I'm Not There film CO83185
    NASH FEB 15-16, 1966: SAD-EYED LADY OF THE LOW LANDS...T-04 LP VER. CO83186


    NASH FEB 16-17, 1966: STUCK INSIDE OF MOBILE (alt.)....T-05 NDH CO83187
    NASH FEB 16-17, 1966: STUCK INSIDE OF MOBILE...........T-15 LP VER. CO83187
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    NASH MAR 07-08, 1966: ABSOLUTELY SWEET MARIE...........T-__ LP VER. CO83259


    NASH MAR 08-09, 1966: PLEDGING MY TIME.................T-__ LP VER./SINGLE CO83265
    NASH MAR 08-09, 1966: JUST LIKE A WOMAN................T-__ LP VER./SINGLE CO83264


    NASH MAR 09-10, 1966: MOST LIKELY YOU'LL GO YOUR WAY...T-__ LP VER./SINGLE CO83274
    NASH MAR 09-10, 1966: TEMPORARY LIKE ACHILLES..........T-__ LP VER. CO83275
    NASH MAR 09-10, 1966: RAINY DAY WOMEN #12 & 35.........T-__ LP VER./SINGLE CO83276
    NASH MAR 09-10, 1966: OBVIOUSLY FIVE BELIEVERS.........T-__ LP VER./SINGLE CO83277
    NASH MAR 09-10, 1966: LEOPARD-SKIN PILLBOX HAT.........T-__ LP VER./SINGLE CO83278
    NASH MAR 09-10, 1966: I WANT YOU.......................T-__ LP VER./SINGLE CO83279
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Nashville, Tennessee, June 16, 1966 O.D. Session
    FOURTH TIME AROUND CO83182
    Charlie McCoy (harpsichord) and Kenneth Buttrey (drums).
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    EDIT: I forgot to include the abbreviations used:
    "NDH" = No Direction Home: Bootleg Series Vol. 7 (2-CD Set 2005) + Promo Sampler CD
    / soundtrack: No Direction Home, Martin Scorcese film DVD
    "H61-CD-ROM" = takes extracted from Highway 61 Revisited Interactive CD-ROM (1995)
    "O.D." = overdub
    "T" = Take number
     
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  14. .......years later, LOL, the release of the Soundtrack to Im Not There contained this performance of I Wanna Be Your Lover (see below) and notice who plays. Harmonica!

    Yo La Tengo I Wanna Be Your LoverBass – James McNewDrums – Georgia HubleyGuitar, Vocals – Ira KaplanHarmonica – John SebastianLead Guitar – Peter Phillips (6)Organ – Stanley "Buckwheat" Dural*Piano – Terry Adams (2)Producer, Recorded By, Mixed By – Roger Moutenot
     
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  15. George P

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    I think it's a sin we don't have the full 1965 Newport set released yet.
     
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  16. Michael Macrone

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    Yes, from the wonderful Rainy Day album. I've always loved this version. Which was in fact later "adapted" by Dean & Britta.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmuNK0MiXg4
     
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  17. subtr

    subtr Forum Resident

    This all looks good but for....

    Your first Medicine Sunday/Midnight Train entry. I only have one version of this tune, from the H61 interactive CD-ROM. I'd love to be incomplete and there to be another version.

    Jet Pilot is on Biograph, as you list, but there is a circulating version of the same take that is longer. It isn't terribly revealing or anything, but worth noting that there's an extended version perhaps? Mine runs fro 1min 30secs, has a very brief count in with drum sticks and producer at the end clicking through with "OK" over the PA.

    I think some one said there is a unique mono mix of Pledging My Time from the Dutch Greatest hits.

    There is also, if we're going into extreme territory, a few variations between different pressings of BoB, notably Sad Eyed Lady... there's an edit in there (Roger Ford's site has more info on this I believe) that I think the Canadian version at least did not include. Overall makes no difference, but is a unique version!
     
  18. notesfrom

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    More about Charlie McCoy's playing on 'Desolation Row', plus article link to Dylan and Blonde On Blonde in Nashville:

    'Johnston had told McCoy he would get him tickets to a Broadway show if he were ever in the city. On the morning of Aug. 4, the day after he and his wife arrived in New York, McCoy gave Johnston a call about the tickets. The timing was great.

    "Are you free this afternoon?" the producer asked. "I'm recording Bob Dylan and I'd like you to meet him."

    McCoy went to the studio, where he met Dylan and bassist Russ Savakus. After the introductions, Dylan told him he had one of his records. "I really like your 'Harpoon Man,' " he said, referring to one of the rock singles McCoy recorded for Monument Records in the '60s. McCoy was floored. Released the previous year, the record featured accompaniment by McCoy's band The Escorts, which included several of the other musicians Johnston had worked with in Music City; the single had not sold well or garnered much airplay. McCoy was surprised Dylan had even heard it, much less liked it.

    As McCoy prepared to leave, he remembers, Dylan said, "Listen, I'm getting ready to do this song, why don't you sit in?" McCoy was game, but didn't have any of his instruments with him. Undeterred, Dylan said, "There's an acoustic guitar over there, just grab that."

    The song they recorded was "Desolation Row," which would be the closing track on Highway 61 Revisited. Dylan had recorded an electric version two days earlier, but decided he wanted an acoustic treatment instead. They knocked out the track in under an hour, with McCoy adding some Grady Martin-inspired guitar fills — the recording's musical highlight, as it turned out. Then he left the studio, as low-key as he'd entered.

    "Now you see how easy that was," Johnston told Dylan. "Now that's how it would be in Nashville." As the producer remembers it, Dylan put his hand to his chin in a thoughtful pose and said, "Hmmmm."

    When the artist began working on the follow-up to Highway 61 Revisited, a Nashville session was initially scheduled for November. But Dylan's mercurial manager, Albert Grossman, and label boss Bill Gallagher wanted no part of that idea. They felt Dylan had a good thing going in New York — so much so that they told Johnston if he ever broached the subject again, he was canned.'

    Main article: http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashv...rd-that-changed-nashville/Content?oid=2420805
     
  19. HominyRhodes

    HominyRhodes Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I think we're on the same page. As far as I know, there is only one circulating take of Medicine Sunday/Midnight Train, but in his Recording Sessions book, Clinton Heylin lists two takes as being available, and I thought maybe I missed something. I'm glad people are proofreading this stuff, so thanks, and please carry on. :)

    I was going to include some of the extended versions and mixing/editing variations in these preliminary lists of circulating tracks, but the line-item entries started to look a little too cluttered, so I thought we might separate those into their own section once we get a workable "master list" in place. Anyone who's read Roger Ford's online pieces (there's a link back in post #32) knows that there are probably dozens of variations among the tracks recorded in 1965-66, some fairly minor, some fairly major. And anyone should feel free to bring them to our attention, of course. I like hearing them, and I like sorting them out, too.

    S. P. Honeybunch recently started another thread related to that topic, specifically covering Blonde on Blonde:
    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...n-blonde-mono-and-stereo-mix-fadeouts.440641/
     
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  20. subtr

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    Another Dylan thread, another bit of productivity gone.

    I like the way you've listed these by albums first, getting a master list for the sessions for each album, with sources, is very handy in my book.

    As well as one copy of each CD version of BoB I have a DVD with rips from (I think) 10 or 12 vinyl versions...that'll give me something to do over the coming week or so!
     
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  21. HominyRhodes

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    We'll all have "something to do" over the coming week, namely, speculate...

     
  22. HominyRhodes

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    "...In the course of conversations with "the powers that be", apparently it will be issued as a double CD, a 5CD De Luxe version with 140 page book and an EXTREMELY limited 18CD version..."

    Speculation: It's likely that the double CD will have a selection of unreleased "highlights," like Basement Tapes Raw, and the 5-CD set will be more elaborate.


    (5) CDs prev. unreleased outtakes/alternates/live ("De Luxe" version)
    (2) CDs BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME mono/stereo
    (2) CDs HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED mono/stereo
    (2) CDs BLONDE ON BLONDE mono/stereo
    (2) CDs "SIDE TRACKS II" (singles, Bootleg Series tracks, Newport '65, etc.)
    (2) CDs Bootleg Series "LIVE 1966" (Manchester)
    (2) CDs LIVE 1966 in the alternate GUITARS KISSING mix
    (1) ??? ("Church With No Upstairs: The Opera"?)
    = 18 CDs
     
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  23. RayS

    RayS A Little Bit Older and a Little Bit Slower

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    Please please please not the albums we have already, again.
     
  24. HominyRhodes

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    Exactly. I already have, I think, six versions of Blonde on Blonde alone...
     
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  25. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    Do we have an expected ETA on the official announcement for (and details of) BS 12?
     
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