Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Richard--W, Sep 27, 2016.
When I first got the set I spent about a month or so listening to a concert per day in the order of the discs, but I can understand that that may even be too much for some. Fortunately, at that time I was on a real Dylan-kick so it was a breeze.
Just take it one show at a time, you've got nothing to lose!
I posted this in another thread, but listening to the 10/30/65 Hartford It Ain't Me Babe and I really love the arrangement - it's a shame Dylan dropped this in 1966
Been looking at buying this box set and there are two versions available.
This version currently on amazon sells for $102.99.
This version also currently on amazon sells for $165.12 and is only differentiated by calling out "Live 1966 Limited Initial Pressing Only".
Does someone know what the differences are?
The top link is the original American release. The bottom link is merely an import version which appears to be from Japan. They are identical except where the discs were pressed.
They are the same thing. The initial run of box sets worldwide sold out on pre-order and so further sets were manufactured. They may be manufactured in different territories but the contents are identical.
It is terrific, by the way. Truly wondrous!
Thanks for the info Phantom & Percy.
Do you think that Limited Initial Pressing has more collectibility? Is it identifiable? By the bar code perhaps?
If it's a real Japanese pressing, that may have some limited additional collectibility over a domestic set. Japanese releases tend to get a premium over domestic versions from certain collectors.
I'm just speaking in general, I haven't really investigated or followed this set since buying it day one.
Just looked on discogs, not that all info there is accurate, but they only show 2 versions, the Japanese as you mention Phantom, and the rest of the world.
It is peculiar that the limited initial pressing costs more if it is identical to the subsequent pressings.
I don't think it has any more value; it's not like it's a white label promo or a mis-pressing or anything like that. I'd say it's unlikely to have a different bar-code.
The important thing is to get one before all the stock is gone; they won't be pressing any more!
You might actually find a new one cheaper elsewhere, like eBay. There are Chinese counterfeits on the market, so be careful.
Again, the "limited" in the product description and higher price leads you to think there is something more or better? No need to spend more money for nothing then.
I have searched ebay and it seems that's where a lot of the counterfeit box sets get sold, unless there are reputable sellers, but how would one know for sure?
I think most people know in their gut that something is a counterfeit. Usually price tips you off. Then there's item location. Under the price there is an "Item Location" line - NEVER EVER, EVER, believe that. Instead, scroll lower down under the listing until you find the "Business Seller Information" box. This is likely where your product is.
For box sets, I don't ever want bootlegs - so I don't buy from China or Hong Kong. For Japanese Mini LP.s I stay away from Eastern Europe.
There are many stories online of people buying counterfeits when they are advertised and the read deal. They receive them and then find spelling errors on the packaging!
Thanks for the tips.
I hope these counterfeiters don't get smarter with the way they operate, thus fooling more people.
Hopefully they don't find a good spell checker either!
Some of the bootlegs are actually quite good. How many Bowie booxes do you think they sold? And those are easy to spot, because the CD's are silver instead of gold. Yet there were lots of them out there. I know there was a bootleg Dylan Complete box, because I've seen that first hand. Comparing it with my own, original copy, the CD's were quite rough in feel - with sharp edges almost. The card sleeves were more cheaply made than the real deal - but the book itself was actually quite good.
For box sets I want, I just don't bother to cheap-out on them. I likely overpay. But that's okay. I accept it. I want original box sets. I rarely go cheap with them these days. Take the Jethro Tull bootlegs that arte missing the booklet. WTF?
I ordered the set off Amazon warehouse deals it said “used like new” for $70. I know it has actually been at that price or near for a new one but I missed those deals, and eventhough it will probably get to that price again I decided to just get it. The few times I have ordered from warehouse I have been pretty happy.
I would think I don’t have to worry about a counterfeit one, but I suppose some unscrupulous person could return a counterfeit one to get a real one, but I don’t know if someone would go to that much trouble.
I bought a deluxe bob box from somewhere Eastern (forget where) at a too-good-to-be-true, and when it turned up it was a genuine!
I think it was the "Another self portrait" one. I know that the record labels often ship 'cheap' copies to the far east to counteract the counterfeit versions: a long time back I bought a cassette from hmv in Singapore or Bangkok that was £2, where I also saw a fake version in a market for £1. I don't know how effective this policy is, if money is tight then even at such a slight price difference people might well make to with the fake one.
Still on the fence, but I might order a used/like new box set, as well. How can we know if it's counterfeit?
With the bowie ones it's easy: The fake cds are silver, the real ones are gold.
With the Dylan ones, I don't know. I guess it's a matter of the print quality of the cd covers, build quality of the books/booklets.
My take is that as relatively inexpensive as this set was even the official version, a counterfeit version would have to cut a lot of corners for it to make sense. (You don’t find a lot of counterfeit one dollar bills) But as stated above they apparently do exist. I just think I should be able to tell considering all that it comes with, and if it is back it goes.
As I mentioned earlier, I've seen a Dylan one. The most obvious tell-tale sign were the discs themselves. They had a very rough finish around the edges, and the playing surface wasn't entirely smooth. Honestly,they looked like they'd been pressed on a bunch of reject disc stock.
The other way was the covers. They were not the same quality - for example some had a faded look - but worse, because they'd used slightly thinner card stock, the entire things didn't fill the box. I'd say a fifth of the box was empty, although everything was there.
Still, to know either of those you've got to have the thing in front of you, and open. So, buyer beware.
I got my “used like new “ version from Amazon it is surely is genuine. The only thing wrong with it is a slight crack on one of the corners of the lid so I am happy.
I imagine everyone has moved on from this thread, but for those who haven't seen the Mickey Jones Home Movies DVD I came across this the other day. It seems to be the full 96 minute main feature:-
Bob Dylan 1966 World Tour: The Home Movies
As discussed two or more years ago on this very thread much of the film is padding but, since the release of The 1966 Live Recordings box, I think it perhaps holds a little more interest than when it was first released in 2002. The updated, expanded DVD is worth buying for the "New Features" alone, I think, and is available at the usual "used" outlets for minimal outlay.
Don't have time to review all 278 pages so could anyone say what the broad consensus is on the best 5 recordings from the 36 CDs are?
Gonna get this definitely. Historical and a fascinating look back 1966.
It’s interesting, I am a big Bob Dylan fan, 1965-1966 is my favorite period, this box is amazing to have, yet I don’t really go back to it.
Honest, I am bored to tears after the 25th performance of basically the same set night after night. When I crave 1966 live Bob, I reach for BS4 and have done with it
I feel kind of similarly to all the “complete” BS releases since the basement tapes. They are all great, and it’s nice to have every session, etc, but I kind of liked the format of the older BS compilations better. For example, Tell Tale Signs or the love 1964, 1966, 1975 sets
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